ryane946

You are right. Waiving the lock-ins will create two training events instead of one, and yes that costs money. However, FDX is comparing the cost of that training event versus the cost of having an extra pilot on their payroll which they may not need. And that is more expensive than having an extra training event.

It sounds like you are really anxious to go to FedEx, and I hope it works out for you. But I think Mark is right in that the company probably will waive the lock-ins.

MEMFO4Ever

FYI

From the CBA, Section 12.A.1.b "Pilots shall not fly aircraft other than those operated by the Company for hire or remuneration unless authorized by the Vice President, Flight Operations, or his designee."

This is known around the ranch as an Outside Flying Letter. I got one when I was a newhire and have worked part-time doing charters since then. Other people have side businesses that involve airplanes; aerial photography, skydiving, etc. It is more common than you think.

hyperone

Unfortunately Whale, the LOA, with the tax equalization provision, is only viewable on the Fedex pilot website, and is evidently not for public viewing. Maybe you can get your sponsor to show you the agreement.

PicklePausePull

I remember all the talk about how unsafe it was to put the "Purple Nuggets" in Anchorage due to the complicated flying overseas, and having the "Nuggets" ramp up learning FedEx Ops. So now the company and ALPA think it is ok to take guys right off the street, stick them in a new airframe at a new company and fly them in the most complicated and crowded skies in the world, (and, Oh by the sway, you have to live there, most likely far away from any day to day pilot resources)????Moreover, not as a SO, but a FO? What about all those O-Grams lately about minding our airspeeds and noise abatement proceedures in Europe? What about these new F'd up China RVSM crash augmentation procedures? So we either draft (on a B scale) existing guys to go overseas, or we stick in the new guy, and we can all breath more easily. Not much consistency there fellas!!!

Whale Pilot

I am not sure if you are in agreement with the company or not in agreement? From what I read on this website, no one want's the FDA. I would agree that based on what this "agreement" is, it isn't worth the paper it's written on. However, perhaps the FDA will work for certian individuals such as myself. I have apartments in China and a "side job" instructing on the 777 simulator. This would work well for me. Just a side note, not all poolies are "inexperienced" I was a CA on the whale flying in Europe, Asia, Africa, South America and the U.S. I have multiple Jet type ratings with plenty of heavy international experience. I don't think I would be unsafe as a "F/O".

I think the dialog here is good. I just hope that all can somehow benefit from what has been delt.

Whale

magic rat

Those Purple Nuggets were hand picked. I'm sure history will repeat itself.

Albief15

Whale is actually the demographic I think we'll hire for a while...the guy with international experience that actually wants to do the FDA thing. Plenty of good guys fit that bill. Its just a bit "non standard" from many of our recent new hires.

Good luck man--I hope you dig it. I hope you can worth through the tax issues and have a great time. I expect you'll be joined by some other new hires too!

AFW_MD11

unfortunately, and as evidenced by the 68% to 32% vote in favor of the LOA, "this website" doesn't seem to be representative of the majority of FedEx pilots.

of course, the 32%-ers that post here would have you believe that ALL 68% yes-voters only voted yes out of apathy and/or ignorance, and didn't really understand or care about the merits (or lack thereof) of the LOA.....not necessarily true either - how could anyone possibly know what motivated anyone to vote how they did unless they know them personally and talked about it with them?

all i'm saying is this – “this website” is probably the best place on the web containing information pertinent to FedEx pilots - but that doesn't make it representative of the majority opinion and/or authoritative by any stretch of the imagination......especially due to the anonymous nature and almost total lack of accountability for what's written.

in other words, don't necessarily base any long-term decisions solely on the views that are posted here.

do your own due diligence and seek out other sources of information - other than "this website".

Whale Pilot

AFW,


Your points are very noteworthy! I was perplexed at the LOA vote result myself.

I do know that people with a "non-opinion" don't necessarily jump up and down and shout about their "non-opinion" in public, private or any msg. board. This theory was well demonstrated on another web site which affected one of the greatest legacy carriers that unfortunately doesn't exist anymore but was one of ALPA's founders.

FedEx Pilots and their union will have a lot to "make-up" for, when their contract becomes amendable. Unfortunately the starting point for FDA's is at the company's advantage and as said in the past on other postings here, the FDA's will not gain much ground at the expense of other bargaining issues that will affect the larger portion of pilots on the property. Having the “proper” leadership in the union and those on the committee’s will ultimately affect the contract you will work under. It’s not the Union that makes it strong; it is its leadership and member’s. Albef15 is one of those individuals that will make a significant difference in how all of us ultimately achieve success when it comes to the working conditions that we will work under.

I do hope that FedEx begins to add new brothers and sister's to the rankings and that VOL flying diminish soon to add pressure on the company to hire.

Hope all those in the pool get dry soon!

Whale

FredEx

I wasn't.

This is a great company with great folks. However, we have the most apathetic, self-serving, "got-mine" pilot group in the industry. Look no further than the ongoing disputed pairings debacle if you disagree.

Most pilots here don't know the present contract, let alone actually read an LOA that they voted "yes" or "no" on.

Most pilots here figured the FDAs didn't apply to them, so they did zero research and voted the way their MEC told them to. Most perplexing, is they voted this way AFTER the way FDX ALPA misrepresented the FDX pilot group and came out in support of Age 65. (Yeah, yeah, I know, let it go).

Fred