Reduced BLG and RLG
#11
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I been through this before a couple of brand x's.
What if the company comes to the Union and says we need to furlough 400 pilots.............but we can avoid this if you agree to reduce MIN BLG by 8 hours (just an arbitrary number I pulled out).
So the Union can show some stones as you put it and say, "no thanks a contract is a contract".
So the company goes ahead and announces the furlough. How are you going to feel at that point? Be careful what you ask for.
What if the company comes to the Union and says we need to furlough 400 pilots.............but we can avoid this if you agree to reduce MIN BLG by 8 hours (just an arbitrary number I pulled out).
So the Union can show some stones as you put it and say, "no thanks a contract is a contract".
So the company goes ahead and announces the furlough. How are you going to feel at that point? Be careful what you ask for.
But I didn't say no thanks a contract is a contract. I think anyone could reasonably read my post as recommending the union try something new and negotiate.
Last edited by FDXLAG; 12-28-2007 at 07:01 PM.
#12
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Here is my list anybody have any others?
Reduce the spread of the min and max paying lines to 8 hours across the fleet.
Establish a minimum reserve day pay of 4 + 30.
Move the bid start day to Sunday to reduce carryover.
Over 8 block hour pay should be included in trip guarantee.
Have the scheduled deadhead fare used in deviation bank if higher than accepted fare (per the contract).
Reduce the spread of the min and max paying lines to 8 hours across the fleet.
Establish a minimum reserve day pay of 4 + 30.
Move the bid start day to Sunday to reduce carryover.
Over 8 block hour pay should be included in trip guarantee.
Have the scheduled deadhead fare used in deviation bank if higher than accepted fare (per the contract).
#16
What do you mean about slashing furlough protection. What was changed in the furlough section?
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Why? If the min is 48/60 why can't the high be 61/73? The point of my list is to make sure the company has to employ the most pilots if they want to reduce BLG. The smaller the BLG spread the better. You must admit it would suck to be stuck on the DC-10 making 48/60 hours while all the other wide-body bubbas are sucking down 61-73 hours.
#19
previous CBA
b. The minimum bid period guarantee shall be reduced to a minimum of 48/60/72
CH before any pilot is furloughed. At least a full bid period must follow the
announcement of this action. This provision shall only be used to prevent or
delay a furlough.
Intent: As provided in Section 23, A.11., there will be no VLT in any seat while
any pilot is on furlough.
11. There shall be no volunteer flying in any crew status while any pilot is on
furlough.
Intent: The Company does not intend to rely on draft flying in order to avoid a
recall.
C. Incentive Plan
The Company may, at its option, elect to avoid or mitigate a reduction in force by
offering pilots or a specific group of pilots a voluntary early retirement and/or
severance package. If made to a specific group of pilots, any offer shall be made on
a uniform and non-discriminatory basis. The Company shall notify, meet and consult
with the Association prior to making any offer pursuant to this paragraph.
Current CBA
b. The minimum bid period guarantee shall be reduced to a
minimum of 48/60 CH before any pilot is furloughed. At
least a full bid period must follow the announcement of this
action. This provision shall only be used to prevent or delay
a furlough.
11. There shall be no volunteer flying in any crew status while any
pilot is on furlough. The Company does not intend to rely on
draft flying in order to avoid a recall.
The main thing I see missing is the "intent" statement in the BLG section (4) and the incentive program is does not appear to be in the current CBA. The statement in #11 is still in the CBA.
Remember, the MD11 MEM for JAN had average BLG's of almost 92 hours. 85 is min BLG and apparently people are still having difficulty moving, dropping R days etc. We may have some extra pilots in other seats but I would say we are almost properly manned in the MD11.
Don't let PC or anyone else send us into a further panic than we already are as a Union. How could PC let them hire 2 guys last month ? Except for age 60, most of these "issues" existed at that time !
b. The minimum bid period guarantee shall be reduced to a minimum of 48/60/72
CH before any pilot is furloughed. At least a full bid period must follow the
announcement of this action. This provision shall only be used to prevent or
delay a furlough.
Intent: As provided in Section 23, A.11., there will be no VLT in any seat while
any pilot is on furlough.
11. There shall be no volunteer flying in any crew status while any pilot is on
furlough.
Intent: The Company does not intend to rely on draft flying in order to avoid a
recall.
C. Incentive Plan
The Company may, at its option, elect to avoid or mitigate a reduction in force by
offering pilots or a specific group of pilots a voluntary early retirement and/or
severance package. If made to a specific group of pilots, any offer shall be made on
a uniform and non-discriminatory basis. The Company shall notify, meet and consult
with the Association prior to making any offer pursuant to this paragraph.
Current CBA
b. The minimum bid period guarantee shall be reduced to a
minimum of 48/60 CH before any pilot is furloughed. At
least a full bid period must follow the announcement of this
action. This provision shall only be used to prevent or delay
a furlough.
11. There shall be no volunteer flying in any crew status while any
pilot is on furlough. The Company does not intend to rely on
draft flying in order to avoid a recall.
The main thing I see missing is the "intent" statement in the BLG section (4) and the incentive program is does not appear to be in the current CBA. The statement in #11 is still in the CBA.
Remember, the MD11 MEM for JAN had average BLG's of almost 92 hours. 85 is min BLG and apparently people are still having difficulty moving, dropping R days etc. We may have some extra pilots in other seats but I would say we are almost properly manned in the MD11.
Don't let PC or anyone else send us into a further panic than we already are as a Union. How could PC let them hire 2 guys last month ? Except for age 60, most of these "issues" existed at that time !
#20
If they are thinking about furloughing they would not be hiring into the FDA. If they are hiring into the FDAs they are not thinking about furloughs since they would have to furlough first they guys where they are needed most, the FDAs.


