Can the company cancel part of a bid?
01-04-2008, 04:36 PM
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Take it easy, I'm in pre-law man.....
I thought you were pre-med?.....
What's the difference?
I thought you were pre-med?.....
What's the difference?
The time has come for someone to put his foot down, and that foot is me.
01-04-2008, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
Nope it has to be a vacancy posting since your bid award not the same one as your bid award.
01-04-2008, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Toccata
Guess the 'between' is not inclusive of that bid, huh. That kinda sucks for the more senior guy in the scenario presented.
The good news, the way I read it. You could now bid Hong Kong Capt and if that training took place after someone Jr to you goes to Alaska you start getting wide body pay while you wait to go to training. Provided you keep Alaska on your standing bid. But I was a Criminal Justice Major at a party school.
01-04-2008, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by R1200RT
I understand the company can cancel a bid, but how can they cancel part of a bid since it screws with seniority.
Example. and it is happening.
Lets say I'm a senior 727 FO and on the bid my first choice was ANC MD11 FO and my second choice was HKG CA. We'll I held ANC MD11 FO and someone junior to me got the HKG CA (far enough). Now the company has cancelled part of the bid and I'm stuck on the 727 and a junior person got HKG CA. Since the company is picking parts of the bid to cancel I get screwed. If they rebid the entire bid I could hold HKG CA.
You guys are much better with the contract than me. Does it say they can cancel part of a bid. I thought seniority was king.
Example. and it is happening.
Lets say I'm a senior 727 FO and on the bid my first choice was ANC MD11 FO and my second choice was HKG CA. We'll I held ANC MD11 FO and someone junior to me got the HKG CA (far enough). Now the company has cancelled part of the bid and I'm stuck on the 727 and a junior person got HKG CA. Since the company is picking parts of the bid to cancel I get screwed. If they rebid the entire bid I could hold HKG CA.
You guys are much better with the contract than me. Does it say they can cancel part of a bid. I thought seniority was king.
Then the way I read the contract, you rate passover pay when that jr guy checks out in HKG.........as long as you had HKG CAPT as a 2nd or third choice.
01-05-2008, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
Then the way I read the contract, you rate passover pay when that jr guy checks out in HKG.........as long as you had HKG CAPT as a 2nd or third choice.
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01-05-2008, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by fedupbusdriver
Sounds like you will be able to hold HKG CA on this bid. Pack your bags!!!!
Man I did a year on the Bus.... never again. I wanted to move to CDG and fly the other light twin but a bunch of knuckleheads voted yes on the LOA and now I can't.
I just visit HKG now. Don't think living there (in a box) would be any fun.
01-05-2008, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by R1200RT
Well, if they pay passover that would be OK, but I'm not sure it will work that way. I was hoping someone on here would know for sure.
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Let's look at Sec 24 E 4 Cancellation of Awards
Section 24. E. 4.
A. The Company may cancel an award/assignment of a crew position in reverse seniority order provided it does so at least 30 days prior to the pilot's scheduled training date. A pilot whose award/assignment is canceled may either remain in his current crew position, or exercise his seniority for an award or a vacancy posting that occurred between the date his crew position was awarded and the date it was canceled. He shall be eligible to receive passover pay if:
i.a junior pilot is activated in a crew position pursuant to the same or any subsequent posting and the rate of pay for that crew position is higher than the rate of pay for the current crew position of the pilot whose award has been canceled; and
ii. the standing bid of the pilot whose award has been canceled included the crew position in which the junior pilot has been activated as a preference higher than his current crew position.
b.A pilot’s entitlement to passover pay pursuant to Section 24.E.4.a. (above), shall continue until the earlier of:
i.the affected pilot’s subsequent activation in a crew position with a rate of pay equal to or higher than his passover rate of pay; or
ii.the closing date of a subsequent posting meeting the following criteria:
(a) the posting contains a permanent vacancy in the crew position with respect to which the affected pilot is receiving passover pay; and
(b) the pilot did not have that crew position on his standing bid; and
(c) the pilot would have been awarded that crew position had he included that crew position on his standing bid.
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