Can the company cancel part of a bid?
01-04-2008, 02:01 PM
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Can the company cancel part of a bid?
I understand the company can cancel a bid, but how can they cancel part of a bid since it screws with seniority.
Example. and it is happening.
Lets say I'm a senior 727 FO and on the bid my first choice was ANC MD11 FO and my second choice was HKG CA. We'll I held ANC MD11 FO and someone junior to me got the HKG CA (far enough). Now the company has cancelled part of the bid and I'm stuck on the 727 and a junior person got HKG CA. Since the company is picking parts of the bid to cancel I get screwed. If they rebid the entire bid I could hold HKG CA.
You guys are much better with the contract than me. Does it say they can cancel part of a bid. I thought seniority was king.
Example. and it is happening.
Lets say I'm a senior 727 FO and on the bid my first choice was ANC MD11 FO and my second choice was HKG CA. We'll I held ANC MD11 FO and someone junior to me got the HKG CA (far enough). Now the company has cancelled part of the bid and I'm stuck on the 727 and a junior person got HKG CA. Since the company is picking parts of the bid to cancel I get screwed. If they rebid the entire bid I could hold HKG CA.
You guys are much better with the contract than me. Does it say they can cancel part of a bid. I thought seniority was king.
01-04-2008, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by R1200RT
I understand the company can cancel a bid, but how can they cancel part of a bid since it screws with seniority.
Example. and it is happening.
Lets say I'm a senior 727 FO and on the bid my first choice was ANC MD11 FO and my second choice was HKG CA. We'll I held ANC MD11 FO and someone junior to me got the HKG CA (far enough). Now the company has cancelled part of the bid and I'm stuck on the 727 and a junior person got HKG CA. Since the company is picking parts of the bid to cancel I get screwed. If they rebid the entire bid I could hold HKG CA.
You guys are much better with the contract than me. Does it say they can cancel part of a bid. I thought seniority was king.
Example. and it is happening.
Lets say I'm a senior 727 FO and on the bid my first choice was ANC MD11 FO and my second choice was HKG CA. We'll I held ANC MD11 FO and someone junior to me got the HKG CA (far enough). Now the company has cancelled part of the bid and I'm stuck on the 727 and a junior person got HKG CA. Since the company is picking parts of the bid to cancel I get screwed. If they rebid the entire bid I could hold HKG CA.
You guys are much better with the contract than me. Does it say they can cancel part of a bid. I thought seniority was king.
Section 24.E.4
The Company may cancel an award/assignment of a crew position in reverse seniority order provided it does so at least 30 days prior to the pilot's scheduled training date. A pilot whose award/assignment is canceled may either remain in his current crew position, or exercise his seniority for an award or a vacancy posting that occurred between the date his crew position was awarded and the date it was canceled. He shall be eligible to receive passover pay:
01-04-2008, 02:31 PM
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Discussion on another board about this--concensus is what the company is doing is legal. MEC input was request to not cancel the bid, but when you run the numbers, moving guys from back seat to left seat actually creates few training cycles (i.e. money) than the standard musical chairs where everyone moves up a seat. Someone smarter than me ran numbers and said something about 266 or so training cycles verses 436.
My anger is simply that the retro policy was sold as having "minimal impact", and was done without a crew force mandate. Its here--we'll deal with the fallout--but I would argue the impact on just about all of us is far from minimal.
Water under the bridge. Time to work on issues we can have an impact on. This one is done.
My anger is simply that the retro policy was sold as having "minimal impact", and was done without a crew force mandate. Its here--we'll deal with the fallout--but I would argue the impact on just about all of us is far from minimal.
Water under the bridge. Time to work on issues we can have an impact on. This one is done.
01-04-2008, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Albief15
Someone smarter than me ran numbers and said something about 266 or so training cycles verses 436.
Cheap shot I know. I'll refer myself to Pro-stan and fill out a work sheet on myself.
01-04-2008, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by R1200RT
I understand the company can cancel a bid, but how can they cancel part of a bid since it screws with seniority.
and someone junior to me got the HKG CA (far enough).
If they rebid the entire bid I could hold HKG CA.
I thought seniority was king.
and someone junior to me got the HKG CA (far enough).
If they rebid the entire bid I could hold HKG CA.
I thought seniority was king.
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01-04-2008, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by JethroFDX
Kids doing your homework again Albie? They can help you with the FMS stuff too when you decide to leave the Boeing.
Cheap shot I know. I'll refer myself to Pro-stan and fill out a work sheet on myself.
Cheap shot I know. I'll refer myself to Pro-stan and fill out a work sheet on myself.
I got my Bose X's two years ago. I can hang a while if I have to...
01-04-2008, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
Yes they can:
Section 24.E.4
The Company may cancel an award/assignment of a crew position in reverse seniority order provided it does so at least 30 days prior to the pilot's scheduled training date. A pilot whose award/assignment is canceled may either remain in his current crew position, or exercise his seniority for an award or a vacancy posting that occurred between the date his crew position was awarded and the date it was canceled. He shall be eligible to receive passover pay:
Section 24.E.4
The Company may cancel an award/assignment of a crew position in reverse seniority order provided it does so at least 30 days prior to the pilot's scheduled training date. A pilot whose award/assignment is canceled may either remain in his current crew position, or exercise his seniority for an award or a vacancy posting that occurred between the date his crew position was awarded and the date it was canceled. He shall be eligible to receive passover pay:
That sound right to the experts here?
01-04-2008, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Toccata
If I'm reading this correctly, you will get the Captain's slot, and also be eligible for passover pay when the guy junior to you gets activated.
That sound right to the experts here?
That sound right to the experts here?
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