FDX: Alternatives to BLG reduction...
01-09-2008, 04:36 PM
#11
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The Company probably cannot get rid of carryover (or are not willing to) but the union could offer to have us vote on a change to it, even if only temporary.
They could make it where if awarded a carryover line, then the next month trips are automatically dropped to equal min days off. Then the extra flying from those drops could be assigned to VTO lines. The company will not change the start of the bid month to Sunday though. Even if they did, it wouldn't get rid of all of the c/o trips anyway.
They could make it where if awarded a carryover line, then the next month trips are automatically dropped to equal min days off. Then the extra flying from those drops could be assigned to VTO lines. The company will not change the start of the bid month to Sunday though. Even if they did, it wouldn't get rid of all of the c/o trips anyway.
01-09-2008, 04:42 PM
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The only way they can lower the BLG from 68/85 to "a minimum of 48/60" is to announce the intent to furlough.
Once again...Someone please explain to me how the company can threaten to furlough, if they have to hire into the FDAs.
Once again...Someone please explain to me how the company can threaten to furlough, if they have to hire into the FDAs.
01-09-2008, 04:48 PM
#13
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Originally Posted by FR8Hauler
It is a show stopper. If carryover is allowed to continue with ALPA's blessing and a BLG reduction happens, it is time to clean house and either vote in all new leadership or find a new union...
I agree with Haz, we do nothing, give NOTHING. If they notify us that there is a need to furlough, in writing, in accordance with the contract then we start to look for ways to avoid it.
1. Restore city purity, reduce sodomizer.
2. Eliminate Carryover
3. Then, maybe then, reduce the BLG, little by little if possible.
4. Make them go to the min no furlough BLG in EVERY seat before allowing any furloughs.
DW and our MEC really need to step up here and grow some stones. Blaming the masses for not supporting them isn't going to cut it for an excuse if they bone us again (not that it ever was a valid excuse), or allow the company to bone us again.
01-09-2008, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Busboy
Once again...Someone please explain to me how the company can threaten to furlough, if they have to hire into the FDAs.
01-09-2008, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by matty
There was some talk in one of those BLG reduction threads about alternatives to reducing BLG. Ideas like no carry over, open time, etc.
Any other thoughts/ideas?
Any other thoughts/ideas?
01-09-2008, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by BrownGirls YUM
Furlough first. Recall into the FDAs. A doubtful scenario, but an option, nonetheless.
01-09-2008, 05:58 PM
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I still do not understand whatsoever how a grossly profitable company can even consider reducing BLG and/or furloughing.
Webbs throwing around the F word at hubturn meetings is still just a scam to get people to bid the FDAs under his precious LOA. I hope I'm not the only one who realizes this.
Webbs throwing around the F word at hubturn meetings is still just a scam to get people to bid the FDAs under his precious LOA. I hope I'm not the only one who realizes this.
01-09-2008, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Busboy
The only way they can lower the BLG from 68/85 to "a minimum of 48/60" is to announce the intent to furlough.
Once again...Someone please explain to me how the company can threaten to furlough, if they have to hire into the FDAs.
Once again...Someone please explain to me how the company can threaten to furlough, if they have to hire into the FDAs.
1. Furlough bottom 50-100.
2. Use SIBA to cover FDA flying.
Or...
1. Hire 30
2. Reduce Average BLG by about 6 hours. (not all the way to 48/60)
The reduction in BLG prevents a furlough. Thats all the CBA requires.
01-09-2008, 07:29 PM
#19
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Originally Posted by HazCan
How about we do NOTHING. The company made $2 billion (BILLION) dollars last year on $22 billion revenues. When Paul, "O" and every other important person in Hacks Cross /AOC reduce their pay, then we'll talk. Don't give up carryover, etc. If they want to offer early outs, that's fine with me.
Haz
Haz
Just enjoy the extra days off, live within our means, don't sell your vacation, no DP's, no extra anything.
01-09-2008, 07:48 PM
#20
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Originally Posted by Spur
My Guess...
1. Furlough bottom 50-100.
2. Use SIBA to cover FDA flying.
Or...
1. Hire 30
2. Reduce Average BLG by about 6 hours. (not all the way to 48/60)
The reduction in BLG prevents a furlough. Thats all the CBA requires.
1. Furlough bottom 50-100.
2. Use SIBA to cover FDA flying.
Or...
1. Hire 30
2. Reduce Average BLG by about 6 hours. (not all the way to 48/60)
The reduction in BLG prevents a furlough. Thats all the CBA requires.
Using SIBA to cover the FDAs would use up more than 50-100 pilots you furloughed. When you consider travel hours it as at least a 3 to 1 ratio of SIBA pilots to FDA pilots. Particularly for Hong Kong.
Like I said before this is smoke and mirrors to man the FDAs and I'll bet it works. If we were smart we would use their rhetoric to our advantage; take this opportunity dump carry over.
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