over 8 block capture
 

I just completed my first trip under the new pay rules for over 8 block hour capture. I had one leg of 1330 actual vs 1343 (- 13 min) planned block, and one at 1202 actual vs 1220 (-18 min) planned. I had figured i would get +4.0 extra pay for the two legs (capturing the 8-10 hrs not included in the trip guarantee). What I got was 3.29 hrs added to my pay screen. Apparently they subtracted out the 31 mins of early arrivals. I wasnt sure how this was going to work but that is what i got. How about anybody else?

I guess you should have just flown the scheduled flight plan time, ie no short cuts and maybe pulling the power back:)

Right, and wait to open the doors until the stairs are there and taxi slow etc. No thanks. I like to just get there. But as they say I just row the boat (FO), you get to steer it (CAPT). I was just passing along how I got paid. There was much disagreement on our crew on how this worked. Some thought they would get paid everything over 8 hours as extra pay beyond trip guarantee. i thouhgt 4 hours. turns out nobody was right.

Call contract enforcement. The flight time on legs over 10 hours, on a TAFB trip, is included in trip guarantee. Block recapture on these legs should be 2 hours plus any block over the scheduled total, but by subtracting the block you did not fly over the guarantee is taking money away. It could be a software implementation issue.

Just curious, what pay code is used for the recapture, BKO ?

Anyone that feels like explaining this in more detail, fire away.

I agree with 2cylinder. You should have received 4 hours. The block over 10 hours is in the trip guarantee and should not be effected. Now if the scheduled block time is 9:30 and you block in at 9:15, you will only get the :15 min. But in your case the block time over 10 hours is incorporated in the trip guarantee. This whole thing when you sit down and think about it is "bush league". How could our NC miss define trip guarantee in the CBA? And the fact the company will in essence will pay you for 1-8 hours and anything over 10 hours. But between 8-10 hours you must fly it before you get paid. Totally ridiculous.

That's what happens when you have amateur pilots negotiating against professional negotiators.

Actually just reread the CBA. You were paid correctly. Here is the two exerts that apply....

From Section 2.6 in the CBA

Beginning with the January 2008 bid period, ACH shall be as
follows:
6. ACTUAL CREDIT HOURS (ACH)
ACH is computed at the completion of an assignment.
a. ACH for a duty period is the highest of:
i. MPDP; or
ii. actual block hours; or
iii. actual duty rig.
b. ACH for a trip is the higher of:
i. trip rig as actually fl own, plus actual revenue block hours in excess of 8 in any duty
period, plus duty rig for the portion of any duty period beyond the scheduled on duty
limitations; or
ii. the sum of ACH for each duty period.

From Section 4.E.
F. Trip Guarantee
1. A pilot’s trip guarantee shall be the scheduled credit hour (SCH) value of the trip when the trip is awarded/assigned to the pilot (e.g., bid award, trip trade, open time assignment) or when the pilot blocks out on the trip, whichever is greater. The credit hour (CH) value for a trip is computed as the higher of:
a. Trip rig, plus revenue block hours in excess of 10 hours in any duty period; or
b. The sum of the credit hour values of the duty periods. The credit hour value of each
duty period is computed as the highest of:
i. minimum pay per duty period (MPDP); or
ii. block hours; or
iii. duty rig.

Now there you go ... trying to confuse the conversation with facts! If guys on APC wanted facts they would read the contract themselves ... please promise you won't do that again. :eek:

TonyC used to do that early on in new threads ... I missed Tony's input for a while, but have gotten used to guys "shooting from the hip."

Okay. For those not wanting to read the entire CBA. Point to remember ACH and trip guarantee are calculated differrently. Here is the quick and dirty on how we get paid at FedEx.

Before you fly: Trip Guarantee which is defined in section 4 of our contract.

After you fly: The greater of Actual Credit Hours (defined in Section 2) or Trip Guarantee.

The thing to remember when ACH was redefined to capture hours over 8 begining in Jan, trip guarantee was not redefined. So, the FedEx lawyers are using this to their advantage and probably saving the company millions of dollars. Meanwhile, the ALPA lawyers should have caught this discrepancy before we signed the CBA. They did not. We lose.