viperdriver

I had some R days wiped out by vacation. If I slide the vacation 5 days do the Rdays that were dropped and are now not covered by vacation "come back"?

If I had 8 days vacation and slide it 5 days to the right is it now a 13 day vacation or 8 days vacation 5 days later?


If I have 15 Rdays and 7 days vacation and I protect min days off do I get to drop any or are the vacation days considered days off?

Thanks for the help.

And reconstrucing Reserve lines I have no idea what that means in the contract.

2cylinderdriver

After you slide your vacation you will decide a few things:

1. Do you want to include or waive the 48 hour buffers.
2. Do you want to extend your vacation.

If you have 7 day of vacation and do not waive the buffers, all R Days under the footprint of V days and buffer days will be either dropped or moved. If you have chosen to not extend your vacation you will simply have R days equal to the number of actual V days removed. If you have more than 7 days covered by your footprint, they will simply move R days in excess of the 7 to another open place on your schedule. This is where you can evaluate if you want to waive a buffer to allow days to remain in their original place or not.

If you choose an extension, the processing window will tell you the number of days you can expand to, generally a 7 day vacation is good for 10 days. The formula is in the section 7. You can choose any number up the the max days. You need to have bank hours to accomplish an extension. If you do choose an extension, the new number of days will have the buffer added to the ends as well.

As far as reconstruction, CRS must leave as many original blocks of R days from your bid line intact as possible. You submit "preferences" for the rebuild in the window as well. If you need more days dropped you can request "remove days on X,Y and Z". These are "requests" and subject to the first line in this paragraph as far as I know. The most important thing to remember is v days prior to remaining R days will be leveled and not the other way around !

Read section 7 a few times, and when you input your conflict processing window it should be pretty easy to follow.

Hope this helps.

boost

If you were awarded a reserve line this month then this is how it works.
The first thing to do is decide where exactly you want your vacation. Go to VIPS, Bid Period Processing, and Vacation Adjustments for all of the options. On an R line, you can slide up to 5 days in either direction and extend it usually a maximum of 3 days in either direction. You will be paid the R day value for each day of vacation regardless of what days it actually hits. So if you have 7 days of vacation this month, you will be paid 7 x 4:35 or 32:05 hours for that vacation block. Since February is a 4 week bid month, there are 15 R days total so you will owe 8 additional R days. If you decide to expand your vacation to say 10 days, then you will be paid 10 x 4:35 or 45:50 hours for your vacation block and will owe 5 additional R days.

Next go to the VIPS link, then Bid Period Processing, then Reserve Line Reconstruction. This is where you will put in your request on where you would like any R days either removed or added so that you have the remaining R days you owe on your schedule. These R days cannot be placed on your vacation footprint or in the 48 hour buffer on either side unless you waive that on the Vacation adjustment section.

You can always hit the link Bid Period Processing Summary at the bottom of the page to show all your requests that will be processed during the Conflict/ Input window.

Just get it in before 0700 on Monday or you will get what you get! Good luck !

viperdriver

I feel like dog watching TV with this system. If I have 8 days of vacation and it only knocks out 4 Rdays what happens? Do I use 4*4.5 hours of vacation or 8*4.5 hours of vacation?

If I had an Rday on Monday that was knocked out by vacation and I slide my vacation to Thurs (+3 days) does Monday's Rday come back or am I docked Monday also?

When you protect min days off does the vacation count as a day off. I saw the buffer does .

Falconjet

Days that are removed are going to reduce your vacation bank. Other off days do not count against your vacation bank. Min days off is not a player in this case, you will have much more than min days off with any vacation.

If you only knock out 4 r days, you will use 18 hours of your vacation bank. Vacation days mean nothing after the award, except that you can NOT work on those days (except maybe for draft). You burn vacation by HOURS, not days. If you slide to the right 3 days, that Mon Rday should either come back or get dropped (if it is stand alone) and get put somewhere else on your line.

Check out the bid line adjustments tab, and go to the bottom of the page on the right. There is a bid processing summary option on the bottom that will give you a graphic depiction of what your vacation requests will do to your schedule and the amount of hours that it will cost you in vacation.

PM me if you'd like some more help.

FJ

2cylinderdriver

Regarding a RSV line this is not true, you will always be charged the number of V days at R day value from your bank. The only caveat is if you choose to reduce a vacation period to avoid a bank deficit. If your V days and buffer days do not cover the number of actual R days you plan to drop then the reconstruction request will include the additional R days you want dropped or in the case of too many R days dropped by your footprint you will request where to move the extra days you owe them somewhere else on your other available days.

VTO's ar a bit simpler, number of days x 6 hours will be credited towards your BLG and then they will build you a schedule with flying to bring you up to or above contract min BLG. You have virtually no control of hours used on a VTO unless you are going to reduce to avoid a deficit.

UnskilledFXer

Question one answer- 4 X 4.5

Question two- a slide is your new vacation (v) days does not matter what dates you were awarded in the annual vacation bid, it comes back unless you request a buffer and the max buffer is 48hrs so a slide from Mon to Thurs would put Mon back as an R-day doesn't come out of your bank because you are responsible for standing reserve that day.

Question three- I don't know. The system has changed, it used to take the number of reserve days minus the number of vacation days and rearrange the days to avoid the vacation footprint and buffer days. This no longer happens, so I'm not sure about how they deal with min days off without carryover. If you have carryover r-days that did not conflict with current r-days bid, the carryover r-days will remain and a number of r-days equal to carryover will be removed if you elect to protect min days. At least this is how it has worked for the last year in ANC.

Bid, Slide, Expand (if wanted and bank permits), buffer. Look at your bid period processing summary. Days marked with a (v) and covering r-days will be deducted from your bank, likewise for the days you expand that cover an awarded r-day, if a buffer day (b) falls on an awarded r-day, that r-day will be repositioned outside the vacation/expansion/buffer day window.

Clear as mud?

boost

Guys....it is way different for a line holder vs. reserve. The post above is wrong in respect to a RESERVE line holder.

I agree that it is very confusing when reading the contract to figure all of this out, but you are getting some bad information.

With a RESERVE line only the following is true.
1. Slide your vacation to where you want it. You will not work on those days or the 48 hour buffers on either side unless you specifically waive it.
2. If your vacation hits 4 R days then you will be charged 7 days of Vacation. If it hits 1 day of R you will be charged for 7 days vacation. If it hits 11 days with the buffer you will be charged with....7 days of vacation.

And I quote from Chapter 7.G.3.b

b. A reserve line holder’s vacation credit hour bank shall be
reduced by the R-day value for each day of vacation in the
bid period.

It does not matter what it hits!!!!

3. Secondly, if you just take the 7 days of vacation, you will owe 8 more days for the grand total of 15. These 8 days will be either added to or removed from, with your input on the Reserve Line Reconstruction. You will be paid RLG, thats it. Look at your R days and see what is not in the vacation footprint or buffer. If your vacation hits no R days, then in your bid reconstruction you will need to tell them which days to Remove so that you have 8 left not in conflict with your vacation or buffer. If your Vacation conflicts with 11 R days including the buffer, then you will need to tell them where to add 4 more R days to your 4 R days not in the vacation footprint so that you have 8 days left. No matter what you do in this case, vacation will be paid at 7 days, you will owe 8, and be paid RLG.

4. Reserve line holders can only Slide or extend vacation. They cannot expand vacation. You may slide up to 5 days in either direction, and you can extend up to 3 days in either direction during a 4 week bid month. Lets say that you want to only work 5 R days this month, then you may expand your vacation by the maximum 3 days and you will be paid 10 R days out of your vacation bank (regardless of what it actually hits) and owe 5. The point is you have 15 days of money total. You options are 7 with vacation and owe 8. 8 with vacation and owe 7. 9 with vacation and owe 6. 10 with vacation and owe 5. No matter what, 15 days of R days or RLG is what you will get paid.

5. Carryover R days. Lets say that you have 3 carryover R days from the previous month. Now your guarantee is for 18 R days and you will owe 18 R days. 7 to 10 can be paid from the vacation bank and you will owe the remaining 11 to 8 R days totaling 18 in the period outside of the vacation footprint and buffer. So...the only way to make more than RLG with a RESERVE line and vacation is to have carryover which of course means that you are working more days.

f you still need help, PM me your line number and what you want to do, and I'll help you out. Just did this same thing recently, and I am pretty up on it. I think falconjet and UnskilledFX are thinking about regular line holders but their info is not correct with respect to Reserve line holders. 2 cylinder driver has got it!!

groggy

Ok,

I have an additional question that hopefully you smart ones can answer. First,
I am a line holder this month (feb).
I have vacation from 18-24feb.
Here is my bid period processing summary page:

Vacation Adjustments:

Waive Expand/ Expand/ Waive
Left Extend Extend Right
Slot Slide Buffer Left Vacation Period Right Buffer
----- ----- ------ ------- --------------------------- ------- ------
08-07 +0 N/A 17FEB08 18FEB08 0730 - 25FEB08 0729 02MAR08 N/A

Activity to be removed (for vacation):
Credit Expansion Already
Trip Start/Time End/Time Hours Trip? Canceled?
---- ------------ ------------ ------ --------- ---------
99 17Feb08 2110 19Feb08 0622 8:51 N N
25 23Feb08 2100 24Feb08 1548 6:00 N N
56 24Feb08 2030 26Feb08 0639 9:06 N N
38 02Mar08 2050 04Mar08 1813 12:06 Y N


...I read chapter 7.E.2 and 7.E.3 numerous times and cannot find the 3-day maximum vacation expand time. I assume it to be true and think I understand the 48-hours either side. This would give me a total of 14 days off....right?

Ok, I did not slide anything as seen above, but I expanded (requested)from the 24th all the way to the 2nd of March to knock that last trip off.

1. Will this happen come monday morning? I want it to happen.
2. Should I slide right before I expand?
3. As long as the slide or expansion "touches" the trip, it will be knocked off?
4. So if I touch the #99 trip on the back end (18feb) and touch the first day of #38 on (2Mar) I should get all the trips knocked off?

Sorry for the convoluded questioning, just don't want to mess up the first time you know.

Thanks for any help you can offer....

Canyonman

Boost,

Excellent post! Easy read. All should reference it if you are bidding reserve with vacation. A note for statement #5. You can also protect your min days off. For R days not in conflict with c/o you can remove R days during the reserve line reconstruction process as well.

Cheers,
CM