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Well if UPS does hire this year, I think the people in the pool should come out FIRST. They deserve to!!

Spoken like someone with first hand experience <G>

Why do they "deserve" to? What if someone interviews after them and scores higher? Wouldn't you want the highest scoring working here?

I have to admit after reading your posts, I wonder how you got there.

If you interview for the job, and if you are good enough NOT to get the reject letter why the hell should you wait around to start??? Why should someone who interviews days or even months down the road get into class before you?? UPS pulls the same BS with the drivers.

ITS WRONG!!!!!

You try and find ONE person who is sitting in the pool that likes the pool!!

Did you sit in the pool??

I'm glad you're looking. We don't need people like you, and if you don't succeed go where you belong (MANGLEMENT)

A. Score is subjective. Higher score means squat.
B. Damages UPS credibility. Sure they don't care, but I have had friends swim and it embarrasses the hell out of many of us on the line.
C. A sense of fairness, they meet the requirments to get hired. Now UPS toys with there life which is indicative of how they treat pilots in general. On that principal alone they should drain the pool first. If they need folks fast, UPS can get them.They do not need a "pool"
D. I don't want the highest score, just a person they agreed was worth hiring to be treated with the same care we would all want.

Hey Fly,

It looks like you are back to your shenanigans - stirring up the pot and pi$$ing people off. Nice. :rolleyes:

I can give you a cute thumbs down too pal. You can always take your sorry attitude and go somewhere you can be happy...or wait, that probably is not within the realm of possibility.

You are not worth it and by responding to you i'm lowering myself to yours so go away and be happy, you sorry manglement wanna be.

drain the pool
 

Salty...

I agree with you 100%. Should be a fifo pool...if the minimum wasn't good enough, it wouldn't be the minimum.

JMO

Pilot7576

Salty & Pilot7576 I agree with y'all too. I lucked out and never had to sit in the pool, in fact I was in class 11 days after my interview. Granted, it took me about 8 years and tons of job seminars to actually get an interview however once it happened it happened really fast.

I said I "lucked out" because I think I was truly lucky, that's all. There were guys in my class who were stuck in the pool for a very long time, one guys over two years! I think his quals were just as high as mine if not higher and I sincerely think he was probably a better candidate than me as he had both mil. AND civ. background -great guy. Basically I think that I lucked out and that he got shafted, but that's just my opinion.

I wish our pool would become a FIFO pool - it would make most sense and it would be fair to everyone.

On a different subject, I hope we don't follow SWA when it comes to "rehiring" over-60 guys (in other words those who have already retired). That would hurt our poolies even more.


Here's a quote from the text below which I stole from another thread:

"...Those retired Pilots who wish to apply will be interviewing with us in February, and if they successfully complete the selection process, they will be placed in the first available class..."


January 28, 2008

Dear Southwest Airlines Pilot Poolie,

We recently mailed you a copy of the December issue of LUVLines, and we hope you’re
enjoying it and that it’s helped you to learn more about the Southwest operation, Culture, and
Family. As you know, we have committed to keeping you informed of your status in our hiring
pool, and of any events that might effect your potential class dates. I’m sure that you are aware
of the recent passing of H.R. 4343, The Fair Treatment of Experienced Pilots Act. As a
Company, we are pleased to be able to keep some of our most experienced and capable Pilots
flying for us, and since the signing of the bill, we have had a Team working on the process
involved in the rehiring of our retired Captains who are interested in returning to Southwest.
The goal of this Team has been to do the right thing for everyone involved: our current Pilots,
our retired Pilots, and you, our future Southwest Pilot Candidates. We know that this particular
issue evokes a wide range of emotions in Pilots, but we wanted to personally share with you
what decisions we have made, and our hope is that you will see the reasons for, and value in,
our choices.
We are excited to be able to offer the opportunity for our interested, retired Pilots (who
meet all of our current requirements) to interview for a First Officer position, pursuant to the
terms of H.R. 4343. Those retired Pilots who wish to apply will be interviewing with us in
February, and if they successfully complete the selection process, they will be placed in the first
available class. We do understand that this could affect your potential class date, and we ask
for your understanding and patience in reaching your goal of becoming a part of our outstanding
group of professional aviators. As soon as we know how many Pilots will be rehired, we will
advise you as to if and how this affects your potential class date.
We know this news might be disappointing for you, but we suspect that it won’t come as
too great a surprise to those who have a good understanding of our commitment to taking care
of our Family, and we hope you’ll keep in mind that this same level of commitment and concern
will also be afforded to you when you become a member of the Southwest Family. Meanwhile,
we want you to know that throughout this process, we have given very careful consideration to
how this unprecedented set of circumstances could affect your future, and we have done our
best to do the right thing. We truly appreciate your continued interest in becoming a part of the
Southwest Family, and we thank you for your patience as we bring Pilots onboard this year to
meet the hiring needs of the Company. Please feel free to contact us with any questions you
have.

Sincerely,

The People and Flight Operations Departments

SOUTHWEST AIRLINES CO.
People Department
Pilot Recruitment
Love Field
P.O. Box 36644
Dallas, TX 75235-1611

Oh my Gawd! I just can't take it when I read "Fair Treatment of Experienced Pilots" Act. Couldn't they have named it something that doesn't make me throw up in my mouth a little when I read it?

SWA doesn't have a pension. They are coming back for more 401 and pay, really. Assuming that your pension is based on last years of pay, no one with a capt pension would come back for a F/O pension. At least I don't think so

You are a joke. Just because someone does not hate the company and want to display a childish avatar of themselves urinating on mgmt does not mean they want to be mgmt. If your life is so miserable then go find somewhere else to work.

Like another FO told me once....

"This place is like high school. You're not 'cool' unless you hate the company."

LOL, you are so right. I guess I just wasn't raised that way. Dang, my parents for not instilling that kind of hatred in me.

I must have just gotten hired at the right time...

I make good money and work 8-10 days a month....

After I go home, I don't think about UPS....

Life is good....what's there to hate? Of course my tune will change if a displacement bid comes out...LOL!

Even with a displacement I'm happy to be here!

After being displaced from SDF to ANC, I won't be happy to again be displaced from ANC back to SDF in an FE spot.

I wonder if after a company paid move for displacement to AK, if the company will move me back to SDF after another displacement?

I would happily plumb to get back to SDF.

Why wouldn't they pay for your displacement back to SDF?

Any FO at UPS speaking of being displaced to the DC-8 panel is either misinformed or totally ignorant of the demographic makeup of the seniority list. There are tons of PFEs and pilots over 65 already on the -8 or coming off of the 747.

We have the best job in aviation. Try to enjoy it.

Biggs – I’m sorry but do you have some information that none of us do? No one is “spouting crap,” here, we are just speculating – after all this is a message board, right?
You say the only way they can over 60 guys can get the front seat again is through a vacancy and you add “the company has already said this and the union agrees.”

Well, I hope you are right but last time I checked the union made a presentation to the company on what they think is best for the pilot group and for the company. That’s all.
The company has not agreed to anything, they still haven’t announced what they’ll do. It might be a vacancy posting but it could very well be a displacement bid too.

IF, I repeat IF that happens, the over 60 guys who’ll now be moving upfront will be leaving an empty FE seat behind them, correct? Their replacements can only come from either junior pilots being displaced into those seats OR from new hires. Since a UPS recruiters told the recent AirInc attendees that there probably won’t be any hiring in 2008, the only option would be junior guys, wouldn’t you say?

Yes, this is all pure speculation but I wanted to remind you that so is your claim that the company has already agreed to something. Frankly no one knows what will happen and in the meantime the pilots will probably keep debating an issue very important to all of us.


Seinfeld - you're probably right but nothing is set in stone - that's all I'm trying to say.

Since a UPS recruiters told the recent AirInc attendees that there probably won’t be any hiring in 2008, the only option would be junior guys, wouldn’t you say?


Does this mean no interviewing and/or no hiring out of the pool or both? I had heard a number of maybe 40-50 from the pool, just wondering.

What would be kind of good for someone trying to get in is if some of the geezers (LOL) went to ANC FO or Capt slots that noone wants and there were FE slots left for new hires. Then HR can stop this "we want heavy jet international" crap and we can get some regional guys on. Wishful thinking on my part though but a girl can dream can't she?

Vman and others,
Factually, the only FE slots that will exist in 2009 will be on the DC-8. Right after Peak 2008, the last classic 74 will be parked.
Factually, UPS has stated the intent to quit flying another 6 DC-8 's this year.
Look at the lines, every bid period has less and less hard lines.
Factually, from the Training Center, they are planning on the displacement bids from DC-8 crews beginning 2009 if not sooner.
There are enough 62-63+ year olds on the current seniority list that they will still be competing for the remaining FE seats on the last place they can go by 2009.
Sooooo.... even if it would play out that someone is taken from the F/O seat to the DC-8 S/O seat, they probably wouldn't make it beyond IOE before being displaced back to ANC.
To others that think it is "cool" to hate UPS. No one really hates UPS, they hate the stupidity of the logbook issues and getting letters of warnings for following MRB's and FOM procedures that the FAA apparently disagrees with.
I enjoyed being an F/O, the violations and warnings have been going to the Capts and S/O's. All the while why these folks followed company procedures. It is fair to have that irritate you. It bothers me to have managers jump in the cockpit trying to get me to violate FAR's. I still love being at UPS, but hate the stupidity of something so preventable and avoidable. Oh well...

Why would you want UPS to hire regional pilots? All our growth is going to be international and a newhire engineer will eventually be flying internationally. I'd rather have someone with experience in international ops vs. some regional pilot who hasn't flown anything bigger than a rj.

FBC,
The domestic flying is going where? I would rather fly with a teachable pilot. As a tech, have trained both. Both are fine. HR likes a mixed breed of pilots. It works well for them. Are you joining the HR dept? :D

Is it me or are you trying to stir up trouble? Some of your recent posts indicate to me that it's the latter.

Honestly, I don't believe that he is trying to stir up trouble. With all of the growth in the international arena and with the rumor of only hiring 50 people this year, the competition is going to be stiff. It would only make sense that the most competitive candidates would and should come from an international heavy-jet background.

I have perused the regional board, and no offense to commuter pilots, but based on the vast majority of the posts that I read there is a serious lack of maturity among many of the pilots. The impression they give is that they are nothing but high-school punks who think that they are just "way to cool" because they are flying the RJ.

I am fully aware of the pay scale. I also don't think in a million years I would be displaced to the panel. I am just saying I don't want to be ANC based that badly.

I think FBC likes the anonymous pot stir, jabs and runs. May have kernel of a point, but that doesn't validate an idea. I have met (and trained) many mature regional pilots who are now very successfully flying intl at UPS. If they come from an Intl carrier prior to UPS/Fedex, many were regional background anyway. Means they were trainable and teachable with good, mature personalities, etc. Have confidence in Fedex and UPS HR depts. to be able to determine same capablity. UPS was in unique situation in 2007. Satrted a domicile in ANC. Had all that flying been out of the SDF domicile, All the new hires would be domestic. UPS would have hired a bunch more regional folks. So the idea is a bit more oriented to teachability rather than one specific type of background.

FBC..the Moderators are on to you.....:D

FS....Shouldn't you be studying??

FWIW.......I did hear there will be a Realignment/Displacement bid in March though...I wish someone would put it in writing.

I think you should pound sand up where the sun don't shine.

Do you know where some of these "regional" pilots are flying to these days? Look up any hilljack city in Mexico and tell yourself that some poor bastard "regional" captain in flying in there tonight after a 12 plus hour duty day. The guy in the right seat probably doesn't have 1000 hours, you are doing a vor dme arc, there is severe mountainous terrain around, and the controllers will grant you any wish.

Are these guys not qualified to learn how to do a "crossing"?