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SaltyDog 02-07-2008 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by Vman (Post 315773)
After being displaced from SDF to ANC, I won't be happy to again be displaced from ANC back to SDF in an FE spot.

I wonder if after a company paid move for displacement to AK, if the company will move me back to SDF after another displacement?

Vman and others,
Factually, the only FE slots that will exist in 2009 will be on the DC-8. Right after Peak 2008, the last classic 74 will be parked.
Factually, UPS has stated the intent to quit flying another 6 DC-8 's this year.
Look at the lines, every bid period has less and less hard lines.
Factually, from the Training Center, they are planning on the displacement bids from DC-8 crews beginning 2009 if not sooner.
There are enough 62-63+ year olds on the current seniority list that they will still be competing for the remaining FE seats on the last place they can go by 2009.
Sooooo.... even if it would play out that someone is taken from the F/O seat to the DC-8 S/O seat, they probably wouldn't make it beyond IOE before being displaced back to ANC.
To others that think it is "cool" to hate UPS. No one really hates UPS, they hate the stupidity of the logbook issues and getting letters of warnings for following MRB's and FOM procedures that the FAA apparently disagrees with.
I enjoyed being an F/O, the violations and warnings have been going to the Capts and S/O's. All the while why these folks followed company procedures. It is fair to have that irritate you. It bothers me to have managers jump in the cockpit trying to get me to violate FAR's. I still love being at UPS, but hate the stupidity of something so preventable and avoidable. Oh well...

FlyByCable 02-07-2008 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by Freightpuppy (Post 315923)
What would be kind of good for someone trying to get in is if some of the geezers (LOL) went to ANC FO or Capt slots that noone wants and there were FE slots left for new hires. Then HR can stop this "we want heavy jet international" crap and we can get some regional guys on. Wishful thinking on my part though but a girl can dream can't she?


Why would you want UPS to hire regional pilots? All our growth is going to be international and a newhire engineer will eventually be flying internationally. I'd rather have someone with experience in international ops vs. some regional pilot who hasn't flown anything bigger than a rj.

SaltyDog 02-07-2008 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by FlyByCable (Post 315982)
Why would you want UPS to hire regional pilots? All our growth is going to be international and a newhire engineer will eventually be flying internationally. I'd rather have someone with experience in international ops vs. some regional pilot who hasn't flown anything bigger than a rj.

FBC,
The domestic flying is going where? I would rather fly with a teachable pilot. As a tech, have trained both. Both are fine. HR likes a mixed breed of pilots. It works well for them. Are you joining the HR dept? :D

Dog Breath 02-07-2008 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by FlyByCable (Post 315982)
Why would you want UPS to hire regional pilots?

Is it me or are you trying to stir up trouble? Some of your recent posts indicate to me that it's the latter.

Lab Rat 02-07-2008 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by Dog Breath (Post 316060)
Is it me or are you trying to stir up trouble? Some of your recent posts indicate to me that it's the latter.

Honestly, I don't believe that he is trying to stir up trouble. With all of the growth in the international arena and with the rumor of only hiring 50 people this year, the competition is going to be stiff. It would only make sense that the most competitive candidates would and should come from an international heavy-jet background.

I have perused the regional board, and no offense to commuter pilots, but based on the vast majority of the posts that I read there is a serious lack of maturity among many of the pilots. The impression they give is that they are nothing but high-school punks who think that they are just "way to cool" because they are flying the RJ.

Tigerpilot1995 02-07-2008 12:30 PM

I am fully aware of the pay scale. I also don't think in a million years I would be displaced to the panel. I am just saying I don't want to be ANC based that badly.


Originally Posted by FrontSeat (Post 315807)
It's a big pay cut....f/e earns way less and you have state taxes to pay...it is warmer though


SaltyDog 02-07-2008 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by Lab Rat (Post 316077)
Honestly, I don't believe that he is trying to stir up trouble. With all of the growth in the international arena and with the rumor of only hiring 50 people this year, the competition is going to be stiff. It would only make sense that the most competitive candidates would and should come from an international heavy-jet background.

I have perused the regional board, and no offense to commuter pilots, but based on the vast majority of the posts that I read there is a serious lack of maturity among many of the pilots. The impression they give is that they are nothing but high-school punks who think that they are just "way to cool" because they are flying the RJ.

I think FBC likes the anonymous pot stir, jabs and runs. May have kernel of a point, but that doesn't validate an idea. I have met (and trained) many mature regional pilots who are now very successfully flying intl at UPS. If they come from an Intl carrier prior to UPS/Fedex, many were regional background anyway. Means they were trainable and teachable with good, mature personalities, etc. Have confidence in Fedex and UPS HR depts. to be able to determine same capablity. UPS was in unique situation in 2007. Satrted a domicile in ANC. Had all that flying been out of the SDF domicile, All the new hires would be domestic. UPS would have hired a bunch more regional folks. So the idea is a bit more oriented to teachability rather than one specific type of background.

Rocco 02-07-2008 02:25 PM

FBC..the Moderators are on to you.....:D

FS....Shouldn't you be studying??

FWIW.......I did hear there will be a Realignment/Displacement bid in March though...I wish someone would put it in writing.

Tigerpilot1995 02-07-2008 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by FlyByCable (Post 315982)
Why would you want UPS to hire regional pilots? All our growth is going to be international and a newhire engineer will eventually be flying internationally. I'd rather have someone with experience in international ops vs. some regional pilot who hasn't flown anything bigger than a rj.

I think you should pound sand up where the sun don't shine.

Do you know where some of these "regional" pilots are flying to these days? Look up any hilljack city in Mexico and tell yourself that some poor bastard "regional" captain in flying in there tonight after a 12 plus hour duty day. The guy in the right seat probably doesn't have 1000 hours, you are doing a vor dme arc, there is severe mountainous terrain around, and the controllers will grant you any wish.

Are these guys not qualified to learn how to do a "crossing"?


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