so who hired this guy? Who keeps him on if all the pilot's are displeased with him? Gotta be a name of someone he works for.

Dave Webb, I would guess. What do you think are the chances of anything happening?

Oh I think there are two chances... slim and none....

Does anyone know for sure it was DW.. if so.... another fine example of leadership?

Any pilot on this property can grieve any issue, any time. There are two input people who take the incoming calls. They screen them and try to answer questions. However, it is up to US as in ANY PILOT can take it further if you dont like the answer from the two input people from Contract ADMIN , IT's as simple as a call to the grievance chair (a pilot) who will begin the grievance process. Most of the time they are handling discipline issues. We have a contractural right with ALPA to submit a grievance and the MEC must initiate it on our behalf. I cant speak to the contract admin screeners handling issues as I have never had to call them but they dont have the final word. WE DO. Most of these things get settled with the company with a phone call. Its my belief that we have good success with these. If you dont lilke the words from the non-pilot contract admin ALPA employees, then take it to the next level. That's one of the reasons we pay them. Even non-members get this benefit.

I am not defending rude or responses to our concerns that seem insignificant to them. There is no excuse for that. I am just recommending using the process as its designed. I am sure there are many on this forum who have had some success with this.

Since we DO pay his salary, however, you would think that he would be on our side and not act like you are putting him out by calling and asking a question. I called once and he was very short and dismissive of my concerns.

Totally UNSAT for OUR staffers to treat us that way.

totally agree Bo....

You know.. even if we are completely outta there in what we're calling about, it wouldn't be too hard to explain it from the point of view of "us" instead of the I don't care attitude. You still know it's the company position, and in some instances the company's going to be right on an issue. (I'm not sure what it could possibly be in real world ops.) but he can explain it as hey, it's not the best for "us" but it's the way the contract reads.. I'll keep looking and see if I can find out another interpretation for you.

not a lot to ask.. just sounds like he's interpreting for the company most of the time...... and I'd personally not be paying for that.

...or am I living in the merry ol land of OZ!

slaveship,

That is the way it is supposed to work, but in reality, very few grievances get brought forward. Just ask people that had passover pay issues recently. DT is in no way a positive for us.....

In all honesty, I have dealt with _avid twice on contract issues. I gotta say he did alright by me. I think there are some issues that have "been that way" for quite a while. I really think the problem with a lot of the scheduling issues go to our current contract. Had BC been smart enough to get all the side letters written into the current contract, and plugged a lot of holes (yeah i said holes), we would be better off. instead we fought for this stupid grid and opend more holes (again yes, i said holes). any way, it will cost us, and yes i think we shold grieve more and call in fatigued more!