UPSFO4LIFE

OK, maybe 2/3 was too low. Let's see, all the old dudes on the whale, umm.... some of the few 8 so's that are headed north..ummm OK, not many people happy. You know the saying, UPS is not happy until most the pilot group is not happy.

On a side note, I would really like to know the true cost of this displacement in $$$ vs no displacement and running a bit fat on certain fleets. I know UPS does not give a rats a$$, but the training cost alone has to be enormous.

sdpilot75

After having read all of this I know this might sound like a silly question, but does anyone know if UPS will even hire this year or when they might hire again

UPSFO4LIFE

Your guess is as good as any. I would say no, due to all the people in the pool. I know the interview team has been disbanded to other positions if that tells you anything. With all the training that is about to take place, I would again say hiring is not going to happen this year.

L'il J.Seinfeld

The sky is not falling. This displacement will not effect my quality of life, because UPS does not own me. We will all show up and fly and do our jobs just like before. There may be a handful of junior ANC captains bumped, but any SDF capt should still be able to hold the left seat albeit in ANC. We'll see how it plays out. Until then, take a breath and be thankful for the job.

SaltyDog

IPAMD11 F/O is correct on this thread. The DC-8 S/O's will get a shot at all SDF vacancies by seniority. They will get many by seniority by senior front seat holders taking the plunge to ANC. The 747 S/O's might. That drains all of the vacancy slots. The Displaced CAPTS will use seniority to bump in attempt to stay SDF Capt. S/O's can't get those, but it is a fast set of dominoes at this point. All the junior Capts like me (2 years) who took first available are going to be bumped out of seat by displacement rules. I will end up F/O. This will be a gridlock in the TC as I get replaced by a senior S/O or displaced Capt and will thus replace a junior SDF MD-11F/O who replaces a junior DC-8 F/O who will replace a junior A-300 F/O....



Your right. True cost unimportant. Company is in control and retains all rights to gridlock on their own. <g>

IPAMD11FO

All of the 74Y Capt and SDF FO vacancies will be held by the over 60 crowd. The big questions are what percentage will come from the DC-8 and how many are willing to take ANC FO just to get to the front seat.

No, the sky is not falling. But the company is counting on us to help them out with OT/JA while they implement this mess. Good luck with that plan. We'll be too busy training on new aircraft!

Mgmt pilots are gonna love this too as they get to spend 25 days a month on the road! Might be a good time to join the IPA!

Nashmd11

What's amazing is that the most Junior Capt. on the MD-11 SDF will soon be a mid 1994 hire. Just a little while back it was 1998.

ERJ Jay

Not to ask a dumb question, but aren't there 5 more MD11s coming this year? How can there be no vacancies on that fleet type (besides the SDF F/O)? Were you guys actually over staffed on that A/C that you could absorb 5 more and not need any more CAs?

Also, how often do they run bids?
Even after this upcoming displacement bid, how far in advance of the upcoming 767 deliveries will they have to run another bid for those aircraft?

v2plus25

I thought in a realignment bid only those listed in seats to be realigned are able to bid on vacancies (i.e. 747 S/O but not DC8 S/O). Sure, in the displacement a senior DC8 S/O will be able to hold a front seat if he gets displaced... but there aren't any S/O positions listed in the displacement bid.

I think IPAMD11FO is right, but it is the 747 S/Os who are getting 1 shot to jump to the front again, and that's on the realignment bid only.

IPAMD11FO

You have it backwards. Anyone is eligible to bid the vacancies during the realignment bid and will be awarded in seniority order. Some 747 FE's may have a second chance at getting a front seat. For example, if only 10 747 FE's take a front seat during the realignment and the rest are taken by the -8 guys, 7 747 FE's will be displaced and can subsequently go to any seat they can hold.

The DC-8 FE's are the one's who only get one shot, since their fleet is not being realigned (yet).