FDX ANC DP 139, 13mar
 

Hey K.R.

Was this a mistake??

Looks like they are getting them on secondary lines, as the trip doesn't show on the calendar yet.

This may well be scheds trying to "create a loophole" by buliding a secondary line w/reserve days that fit a "DP" perfectly and then immediately assigning the DP to the r-days. .......problem is....secondary lines aren't released yet and these guys show on the pairings....HMMMMM:mad:

Good point; however, I doubt it. We'll see tomorrow around 1701. If the next VTO downstream has trips assigned to it, then it's a good indication they asked for it. Regarding MS assinging the trips...I have a hard time believing MS can assign reserve trips that far in advance. But...

Reserve trips are not supposed to be assigned this early.

If they are more than xx hrs tafb, i think that they can be assigned in advance, but i don't have time to look it up at the present time.

It appears to be more than 7 days early
 

K. Advance Reserve Assignment


1. The Company may advance assign a reserve pilot a trip(s) from open time in accordance with Section 25.G.1. (Open Time Assignments), only for the following purposes:


a. to satisfy FAR experience requirements for the least restrictive operating limitations (e.g., CAT II/III minimums, 100 block hours in 90 days, 75 block hours in new equipment); or


b. to comply with visa acquisition procedures; or


c. to cover an open time trip that is more than 50 hours TAFB, such assignment shall not be awarded greater than 7 days in advance.

then the Captain on trip 107/8 Mar probably got it on Reserve as a line check to satisfy para. a. above (as he has posted on the other thread - he got it on RSV, and it's a line check)

as for the FO's on the other two (2003/16 Mar, and 139/13 Mar) according to the sections of the contract above they must have either:

1) specifically requested the trip, or

2) the trip was assigned to them "in error" and they will be allowed to choose the options from the grievance settlement posted on the other thread about these pairings

neither 1) or 2) is good, but I'm hoping it isn't 1) and then we all hear "oops, I screwed up....sorry.....it'll never happen again......" - that's really getting old.....and frankly, total BS (in my opinion) - especially with as much emphasis as everyone up here in ANC places on this topic.

This is too important to keep on "accidentally" screwing it up.

[quote=AFW_MD11;328504]then the Captain on trip 107/8 Mar probably got it on Reserve as a line check to satisfy para. a. above (as he has posted on the other thread - he got it on RSV, and it's a line check)

This wasn't started for the Captain who was assigned a DP due to a line check. That seems to happen occasionally, which could be stopped if the LCAs would say no thank you. Everyone needs to help:

1. call in fatigued if needed.
2. don't request them.
3. have contract enforcement get some "...." and grieve them if given to someone not requesting them. The settlement should be a minimum of pay without having to do the trip. Additionally, subsequent cases should be dealt with in the same way....dropped trip with pay.
4. LCAs - don't give line checks on DPs. Other than the fact the trips aren't healthy, pilots' livelihoods are at stake. We all make more mistakes when we are tired.

Checking VTO Schedule prior to release!
 

On Monday or Tuesday before Secondaries are released go to that month on your calender and hit the "block display" option on the left. It will show your "tenative" schedule...including trips. If days are reserve then the trip is assigned as a reserve trip. If the trip is there with no RSV then it is either requested or against the contract.

I am the Captain that got 107/8.I DID NOT REQUEST IT.I guess I have no choice since it is a line check.
Fish

Yes you do have a choice, have you talked to Contract Enforcement ? They can't assign you a DP for a line check, unless it is done via a reserve assignment, period. Please call them ASAP.

just looked at your schedule, looks like all R days, but they still can't assign you a reserve trip outside of the advanced reserve rules, call enforcement.:)

I think that they can for a checkride. The 7 day limit refers to assigning a trip greater than 50 hrs tafb in advance.

Let's get back on track here....about the FO who received trip 139.

Has anyone called/emailed this guy to find out if he picked it up or if it was assigned incorrectly?

actually they can't assign it per the advanced reserve assignment process...but according to higher authority they CAN per section 25.G, it falls under the vague umbrella of "training assignments" for priority in use of Open Time. Bottom line, they can do it.:mad:

Agreed, that was what I said......

Emails have been sent. Two of the three have responded. It sounds like they requested the trips and are trying to get out of them.

Same old song and dance.

got it, just clarifying that the can't use the FAR, High Mins, consolidation etc. section in advanced reserve assignment language. Contract enforcement says they can't advance reserve assign for a line check under this section, but are then using 25.G as their out. I know it does not make a difference in the end, either way it is needs to be fixed next in the future.

wasn't this obvious when the only one who chimed in to defend himself right away was the Captain who got one for a line check on reserve?

by the way.....trip #139/13 Mar is truly heinous!! have you guys looked at it?? yikes!!

12 day trip

6 nights of Subic hub turns - although 2 nights have a few hours in the Legenda - yay!!

1 NRT turn w/5 hours in the hotel in between

3 - 12+ hour crew duty days

minimum crew rests throughout - multiple body clock swaps - day to night and back

finally on the last leg back to ANC - an RFO for another nearly 12 hour day

judgement - U - for "requesting" this trip!!

now THESE are the kind of trips those over 60 guys coming back must just "love to fly" :rolleyes:

139 on the 13th just popped back into open time.....thanks KR

Nice work K.R. I apologize if you got bombarded with emails.