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VBone 03-22-2008 07:34 PM

carryover and conflicting training-FDX
 
I am on Reserve a 1-9 MAY(5-9may is in the next bid month). What happens if I do training on 3-4 may. Does it wipe out that whole string of Rdays including those in the next month and if so when do I make that time up (APR or May CIC window)

Thanks

Guess my real question is a string of Rdays that carry over from one month to another still a string, or does a new string start on the first of the month,

kronan 03-23-2008 06:09 AM

How can you get 3+4 May training dates w/the May bidpack?


But,
sounds like you will not be assigned recurrent training if you have any carryover activities. (See 11.c which is just above the link)

https://pilot.fedex.com/contract/cba....shtml#11.d.ii

Never been in your shoes, so, not exactly sure how the schedulers will treat it....but, if they do give it to you, 11.f.ii means all of the R days go away and are eligible for makeup.

Kind of painful to realize that someone with carryover minimizes the amount of training dates they can be awarded. But, makes sense from the company perspective though. They don't want to be prevented from awarding that carryover trip you signed up for by not protecting min days off for May.

MaydayMark 03-23-2008 10:42 AM

Different ... but related subject. I didn't put in a training preference (CMV2/CLOE) bid as I was on vacation and forgot all about it. Here's what happened. They assigned me training during my longest trip (which of course they dropped without pay). The trip with the back-end d/h from my home town! The trip I bid the entire line for!

I suppose I could blame this on myself (I failed to put in a training bid) but there should be at least some automatic protection from this kind of abuse? :confused::confused::confused:

PS ... the futures scheduler says that if you don't submit a preference, that "computer" assigns you the first available training slot and drops any trip in conflict. Now that makes a lot of sense! We wouldn't want any thought given to training assignments that affect our pay now, would we?

SC-7 03-23-2008 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaydayMark (Post 346595)
Different ... but related subject. I didn't put in a training preference (CMV2/CLOE) bid as I was on vacation and forgot all about it. Here's what happened. They assigned me training during my longest trip (which of course they dropped without pay). The trip with the back-end d/h from my home town! The trip I bid the entire line for!

I suppose I could blame this on myself (I failed to put in a training bid) but there should be at least some automatic protection from this kind of abuse? :confused::confused::confused:

PS ... the futures scheduler says that if you don't submit a preference, that "computer" assigns you the first available training slot and drops any trip in conflict. Now that makes a lot of sense! We wouldn't want any thought given to training assignments that affect our pay now, would we?

Same thing happened to me a few months ago, except I did give them my preferences, and they still dropped a 12 day trip, essentially my whole month's paycheck.

I did a lot of Guard days that month, so it was a wash, but I was (am) still kind of ****ed that no one does a sanity check on that process before the computer drops your whole month.

After looking at the contract and talking to several people in future scheduling, I found out that when this happens, we're supposed to pick makeup trips out of open time once the view/add window opens, before the normal open time release. Better than nothing I suppose, but I'd still prefer a more proactive approach. Open time ain't what it used to be.

KnightFlyer 03-23-2008 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kronan (Post 346487)
How can you get 3+4 May training dates w/the May bidpack?

"(5-9may is in the next bid month)"

Bid month starts 5 May. 3+4 May is in April bid month.

kronan 03-23-2008 06:33 PM

Kind of my point there KF. Seems like the original question would have been more appropriate a month ago.

fdx727pilot 03-23-2008 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronan (Post 346835)
Kind of my point there KF. Seems like the original question would have been more appropriate a month ago.

The OP is probably bidding for that training slot (April Bidmonth) now, hence his request for info.

fecav8r 03-23-2008 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaydayMark (Post 346595)
Different ... but related subject. I didn't put in a training preference (CMV2/CLOE) bid as I was on vacation and forgot all about it. Here's what happened. They assigned me training during my longest trip (which of course they dropped without pay). The trip with the back-end d/h from my home town! The trip I bid the entire line for!

I suppose I could blame this on myself (I failed to put in a training bid) but there should be at least some automatic protection from this kind of abuse? :confused::confused::confused:

PS ... the futures scheduler says that if you don't submit a preference, that "computer" assigns you the first available training slot and drops any trip in conflict. Now that makes a lot of sense! We wouldn't want any thought given to training assignments that affect our pay now, would we?

I guess maybe they think "this guy doesn't give a sh1t when he goes to training, why should we." Or maybe they should look at your personnel screen and see where you live and see that you really needed the deadhead and rearrange the entire training schedule to accomodate you. Come on pal, it was your pay, not theirs......

VBone 03-23-2008 07:11 PM

question is if you have a block of rdays that carry over into another month, is that one string or two. If you train on the first day of the month are you also knocking out the rdays in the previous month or is it considered a new string when the month starts? Same at the end of the month. I would guess new month new string.

FDXLAG 03-23-2008 08:42 PM

If it were me, I would call futures and ask them. Then I would post the answer here.


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