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VBone 04-15-2008 02:56 PM

Excess FDX
 
So if there is an excess of 50 in your seat and you sit 70 from the bottom are you safe? Or do the secondaries create more than 50?

fdx727pilot 04-15-2008 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by VBone (Post 364739)
So if there is an excess of 50 in your seat and you sit 70 from the bottom are you safe? Or do the secondaries create more than 50?


Well, if a bunch of super-senior DC10 types excess themselves into your seat ahead of you, you could be SOL, at least the way I read it.

FDX1 04-15-2008 04:07 PM

Actually there may be a silver lining in all of this...The over 60's who had no intent on moving out of the S/O' seat in the 10 and 27 will be saying see yaa! Plus, this will finally close the door on those wanting to come back to the S/O panels even after age 65. READ : Lots of old guys retiring NOW!!!! Enjoy your retirement!:D

Wildmanny 04-15-2008 04:10 PM


Originally Posted by FDX1 (Post 364796)
Actually there may be a silver lining in all of this...The over 60's who had no intent on moving out of the S/O' seat in the 10 and 27 will be saying see yaa! Plus, this will finally close the door on those wanting to come back to the S/O panels even after age 65. READ : Lots of old guys retiring NOW!!!! Enjoy your retirement!:D


How do you figure that?

Most of those guys either a) have no life and therefore wanted to keep flying but couldn't do it in any seat, therefore had to go to the panel or b) went to the panel hoping the rule would change and then would go back to their Captain's seat.

This should be interesting either way.

WM

FDX1 04-15-2008 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by Wildmanny (Post 364798)
How do you figure that?

WM,

Simple; The remaining over 60's that couldn't get a class I to hold drivers seats will have no choice in the 10 but to retire. The others that may not have wanted to or couldn't 'complete' Captain upgrade are in the same boat. Easiest thing for them to do at this point is retire. My second point about not coming back to any engineer seat after 65 is due to the current excess bid in those seats. In past practice, the Company would allow this to occur even though no Vacancy Bid existed and set a precedence. Now however there exists a new set of circumstances that would give the Company relief to change the process. After all, aren't we "overmanned"? I find it hard to believe they would allow over 65's to come back to a seat that is being excessed or eliminated.

MD11Fr8Dog 04-15-2008 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by FDX1 (Post 364805)
I find it hard to believe they would allow over 65's to come back to a seat that is being excessed or eliminated.


Well, then keep watching! :(

But I hope you're right!

Some guy 04-15-2008 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by VBone (Post 364739)
So if there is an excess of 50 in your seat and you sit 70 from the bottom are you safe? Or do the secondaries create more than 50?

Haven't seen this before, but if I read the contract correctly, you're safe as a 72 SO because even if you can't hold anything else (they can't force you to HKG), you'll still be a 72 SO no matter how many they excess.

SG

NoHaz 04-15-2008 04:48 PM

Wouldn't they have to do another excess in that seat if they determined it was way too full? In other words there is no limit to how many can excess into a seat (except FDA) just that all inbounds are senior to the bottom guy currently holding.


Originally Posted by fdx727pilot (Post 364788)
Well, if a bunch of super-senior DC10 types excess themselves into your seat ahead of you, you could be SOL, at least the way I read it.


Wildmanny 04-15-2008 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by FDX1 (Post 364805)
WM,

Simple; The remaining over 60's that couldn't get a class I to hold drivers seats will have no choice in the 10 but to retire. The others that may not have wanted to or couldn't 'complete' Captain upgrade are in the same boat. Easiest thing for them to do at this point is retire. My second point about not coming back to any engineer seat after 65 is due to the current excess bid in those seats. In past practice, the Company would allow this to occur even though no Vacancy Bid existed and set a precedence. Now however there exists a new set of circumstances that would give the Company relief to change the process. After all, aren't we "overmanned"? I find it hard to believe they would allow over 65's to come back to a seat that is being excessed or eliminated.


Okay okay. All good info. I don't have firm numbers on how many geezers can't hold a Class 1. So maybe that's a player.

All I really care about is: What does this mean to ME!!!? (This is me joking around).

Wildmanny :D

MAWK90 04-15-2008 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by Some guy (Post 364825)
Haven't seen this before, but if I read the contract correctly, you're safe as a 72 SO because even if you can't hold anything else (they can't force you to HKG), you'll still be a 72 SO no matter how many they excess.

SG

I'll call a spade a spade, and I have to say the junior folks at this company, and I mean JUNIOR need to thank P Cassel for these words:

"no pilot will be furloughed as a result of this excess."

Gotta call it like it is. I think the company could easily put 100 or so on the street. My hat's off to them for not doing it (wait, I don't wear a hat here, that was another airline!)


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