No; you're deviating of your own free choice.

Please show me a reference for that. It's the same as JetJok's East Coast-West coast deviation. He's choosing to deviate on that trip. Why does he get to sit first class? If the company scheduled me for a same-duty d/h over 8 hours, it would be in first class, so if I schedule myself for a same-duty d/h, it should be in first, also, right.

First Class would be authorized, but you'd still be paying the difference in price out of your bank (or your pocket).






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Thanks... that's what I thought.

I knew I should have put this in "Ask Tony." I'm glad you take the time to look in other forums and help where you're needed. Kind of like an "Airline Pilot Forums" version of Superman.

Sluggo,

First of all, the reason I'm entitled to go first class is that my deadhead is over 5 hours. If there is not money in the bank to cover that, then it's out of my own pocket. If I used the hotel and then deadheaded, I'd still be authorized to fly first class.

Secondly, just because you "schedule yourself" for a same-duty d/h of over 8 hours does not, in fact, entitle you to first class. It most cases, your trip that ends at an out-station, will have a hotel at the tail end. That's for you to get rested. If you ELECT to not use it, and deadhead immediately, that's your choice. But the company will not authorize you first class travel, unless you meet the 5 hour minimum flight time of the dedadhead travel. If, on the other hand, the company schedules you to operate a trip and then immediately deadhead, well then, first class is authorized, if you meet the hours requirement.

I'm going with Tony on this one (and also from reading the contract). A 5+ hour deadhead is not the only thing that triggers a first class Seat. A 8+ hour revenue trip + D/H (>1:30) will also trigger a first class seat. I'm using the same logic that you are for your deadhead. The company scheduled you to fly less than a 5 hour d/h. You are ELECTING to change it and come all the way from the East Coast. I don't see the difference.

Actually, he said his scheduled WAS greater than 5 hrs! I suggest talking to your expense report lady. Mine has always been extremely helpful, then if it doesn't seem right, investigate further!

As you wish, but I still don't think that if the company schedules you for an 8+ hour revenue trip, then a hotel, but you elect to follow the revenue trip with an immediate deadhead, of any length, that you are entitled to fly first class. It will be interesting to see. Please try it, submit the deviation expense report, and then, if you'd not mind, get back to us all with the answer. Inquiring minds want to know.

where is PIA?

I don't think he actually ever said that whether or not his scheduled d/h was greater than 5 hours. He did say that he was commuting from East Coast to West Coast, so the flight time was well over 5.

You are right, I was confusing two posts. The one I was referencing was fecav8r's where he had said that "even if the scheduled d/h is less than five hours (and only Y class fare is given in the bidpack), but your deviation d/h is greater than 5, you are authorized first class."

I still think that I'm authorized. I'll have to do more research (although Tony said I was right... what else does someone need?)