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Old 02-15-2006, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by stupidpilot
I can't believe you guys! You've got, arguably, the most stable, best paying, best benefits flying job that's out there and all I hear is a bunch of whining and crying! There are literally thousands of pilots out there who would give their left nut for what you have and your talking about why or why not to wear a hat???? Jeez, you guys have a great career, one of the few in the flying industry today, why not be satisfied with that? Do you always have to whine for more no matter how much you've been given?
Were the IDs "IdiotPilot" or Dumb$hitPilot already taken?

If you haven't walked a mile in our shoes, shut the hell up! You DON'T have the SLIGHTEST inkling about the subject you deign to pontificate upon!

There has been NO good faith negotiation on the part of management for a LONG time. The current contract, which is long expired, was a LOUSEY contract when it was first proposed . . YEARS ago. It was ratified because the pilot group was weary . . and a bunch of pussies, who were too beat down to fight the good fight.

This pilot group earns BILLIONS for a very successful corporation . .and deserves a LOT more than what they are working for . .NOT to mention working conditions, back side of the clock flying and getting the boxes there, sometimes under very difficult conditions.

SO. . bug off and go bother someone where you actually know something about the situation!
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Old 02-15-2006, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by captain_drew
Were the IDs "IdiotPilot" or Dumb$hitPilot already taken?

If you haven't walked a mile in our shoes, shut the hell up! You DON'T have the SLIGHTEST inkling about the subject you deign to pontificate upon!

There has been NO good faith negotiation on the part of management for a LONG time. The current contract, which is long expired, was a LOUSEY contract when it was first proposed . . YEARS ago. It was ratified because the pilot group was weary . . and a bunch of pussies, who were too beat down to fight the good fight.

This pilot group earns BILLIONS for a very successful corporation . .and deserves a LOT more than what they are working for . .NOT to mention working conditions, back side of the clock flying and getting the boxes there, sometimes under very difficult conditions.

SO. . bug off and go bother someone where you actually know something about the situation!
WAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! I make well over $100K a year with all kinds of bennies and I still think I'm being screwed! My pu$$y hurts! WAAAAAAAA!!!!
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Old 02-15-2006, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Trash Hauler 1
And when you get to where we are, you will be just as whiny as we are. While you have been acquiring your time flying junk around, some of us have been getting our asses shot at in numerous places around the world, missing anniversaries, b-days etc. None of this is easy. If it was easy, every swinging dick on the planet would be doing it. Whether you come up through the military or through civilian training, by the time they let you fly by yourself or put you in charge of a multiplace aircraft crewed by intelligent, highly trained aviators, you should have that perspective. Quit complaining that other people have it better than you and work towards getting to that level. Get the education, get the ratings, network and maybe in a few years we can all take you to task for whining that your contract sucks. You should be that lucky! Now get out there and move my checks!
By the way I fly a DC-10 skippy.
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Old 02-15-2006, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by stupidpilot
By the way I fly a DC-10 skippy.
Congrats, you fly a widebody for less than a 100 grand. Stupidpilot really fits.
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Old 02-15-2006, 06:35 PM
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Congrats, you fly a widebody for less than a 100 grand. Stupidpilot really fits.
Gee what a great retort
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Old 02-15-2006, 06:41 PM
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Nice little airplane. The last plane I flew carried almost as much gas as you gross out at. If you don't like flying DC10s for less than 100K (Gemini or World?) then find another job.

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Old 02-15-2006, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by stupidpilot
Gee, I've been flying unscheduled freight for 5 years for peanuts on crappy old dangerous aircraft. Again I say you guys have it so nice but you can't see how good you have it so all you do is whine.

Ok I'm going to jump back in here and (hopefully) not just verbally beat you with a stick.
Just because your working for a company that doesn't pay the same as Fedex, UPS, DHL, doesn't mean we should sit back and not try to improve our lot and get an improvement in our working conditions/benefits. As has been posted by others, we want to fix some short comings in our retirement, work rules (read: long duty day= fatigue) and some other issues. And yes, we would like more money. Maybe we make more than you, but just because some earn less doesn't mean we should settle for less. You and your colleagues need to improve your lot, not suggest we be happybecause we don't have your pay and working conditions. There are all kinds of posts on this BB from non pilot and pilots alike, that suggest we (pilots in general) should lower our expectations and work for less; we're over paid, or were and now ain't; there are some who still think a UAL capt making more than 100K is over paid. I'm guessing at your company the guys who push the freight on your jet think your over paid. Should you work for less because the loader guy makes half what you do??
We all are just trying to improve our lot. Some airlines are making money and the executives are rewarding themselves. Look at AA and what going on there. Fedex and UPS are doing well, mgt's are rewarding themselves. we don't think we should have to apologize for trying to fix/improve our lot.

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Old 02-16-2006, 04:39 AM
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HOW MUCH SHOULD YOU GET PAID.....?
Food for thought from an ex-ALPA member about All of this pay talk.....

ALL OF U FEDEX/UPS/DHL SHOULD TAKE AS MUCH AS YOU CAN GET, BECAUSE I DO NOT BELIEVE ITS GOING TO LAST FOREVER...I DO NOT BELIEVE THE FREIGHT INDUSTRY IS INSULATED FROM WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE REST OF THE AIRLINE BIZ ...AS SOON AS A LOW COST FREIGHT OPTION EQUAL TO SOUTHWEST PENETRATES THE FREIGHT INDUSTRY YOUR DAYS WILL BE NUMBERED AS WELL ( I WAS TALKING TO A LONG TERM SOUTHWEST ADMINISTRATIVE EMPLOYEE AND WAS TOLD THEY ARE PLANNING TO CONVERT 8 73,s FOR FREIGHT ONLY)......YESTERDAY I SENT AN OVERNIGHT LETTER FROM FLORIDA TO DALLAS AND THE CHARGE WAS $22 AND CHANGE....AS THOSE PRICES CONTINUE TO RISE THE BUSINESSES THAT USE THOSE SERVICES WILL SEEK LOWER COST ALTERNATIVES---AND IF THERE IS ONE AVAIL, THE SAME WILL HAPPEN IN FREIGHT THAT HAS HAPPENED IN PAX SERVICE......

WHAT IS A REAL TRAGEDY IS THE CNN INTERVIEW I WATCHED WITH A RETIRED UAL PILOT .....

They interviewed him on the first day of his new job that he was forced to take after 29 years with UAL.....since the bankruptcy...all of his stock he held was worthless and his pension was reduced to a 25% of what it should have been......

BEWARE, YOUR PENSION FUND WILL BE NEXT, WHEN TIMES GET HARD..
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Old 02-16-2006, 06:37 AM
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While I naturally hope you're wrong, I have begun getting a second degree in something outside flying for the reason you mention. An express delivery company requires so much infrastrusture in terms of sort facilities, couriers and such that I cannot foresee a cheap startup moving in and taking that over from FDX and UPS...but then none of us ever envisioned a SWA scenario, deregulation, or the devestating corporate rape of legacy airlines' assets just to make a quick buck for shareholders and management.

Times have changed and any pilot who has all their eggs tied up in just one skill set or one company is in for a rude awakening.
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Old 02-16-2006, 01:18 PM
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I think Fr8er makes a good point as far as other threats to the industry go. I also did a study few years back on how a lot of the paper documents being shipped overnight for signatures and whatnot will soon be able to be done electronically and consequently reduce the need for so much overnight shipping. Now I cant remember what percentage of FedEx shipping is small documents but it is something to consider.

As for the pay issue I think there's a balance. I understand the argument that if the company is doing well then the people working hard to move the cargo should get a piece (regardless of what other companies pay their pilots)...but that may come at an additional cost. FDX could hit hard times in the near future for any number of reasons and having to continue to pay 4000+ pilots the same pay they had during the profitable years could be a huge blow (b/c a pay cut would probably meet strong opposition). The legacy carriers are not suffering now b/c of 9/11. They were poorly managed before the attacks and 9/11 broke the camel's back. Before 2001 I knew an AA pilot making well over 200k and was flying 6 days a month. I think both Delta and United Capts were getting about the same and this was 5 years ago. A nice as that sounds to me as a pilot it doesnt seem very smart from an economic standpoint for the company to pay a guy that much for 6 days of work. However, I do agree that your pay should at least keep up with inflation..and maybe thats all you guys are asking for. As for mgt if they're fattening their pockets b/c they can then thats not right either. I'd be curious to see the $ amount that was given mgt vs the $ amt to give the pilots a raise. Not that the $ dollar amt should be the determinant b/c if anything they should set the example (provided they werent underpaid). I guess all I'm saying is be careful what you ask for especially since FDX/UPS pilots are at the top of the aviation heap these days. Profitabilty today does not equal profitability tomorrow. You can get all the money you ask for but in 5 yrs if things arent going so well will you be willing to take a 25-40% paycut to help the company?
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