Boy...plz share your thoughts on this. What number and from where. You have proven that you speak the truth!

Echoing jagplt's response, and since your intel seems to be more accurate than most, what are you hearing specifically. Previous comments from "O" have indicated his resistance to another excess, but how much juice he has with that stance is unknown.

When a posting comes out via FCIF, the number of pilots needed in a base is given in the posting. So many people bid it before the bid closes. If the number of bids received for that position = the number given in the posting, it is filled with no more openings. If they receive less bids than the number given in the FCIF; there are x amount of positions not filled, that still leaves an opening for crews by x amount. If the number of bidders is y more than the amount required by the FCIF, only the amount required should be filled, with the others, the y amount, not holding an award.

So, my point is, if more people have been awarded HKG Captain than what the total numbers are that have been posted for by FCIF, how can that be done legally by the CBA. The contract states in section 24 B 1 a.

" Notification of postings for crew position vacancies and crew positions in excess shall be communicated to pilots through the appropriate Flight Crew Information File (FCIF). Notification that an active posting exists shall be available through VIPS."

I dont think the Company can just arbitrarily have more pilots in a base than what the combined number, via FCIF, has been posted for. In effect, they are arbitrarily negating the definition of an excess by allowing more awards than have been posted for.

Posting 0703

The FCIF has been suspended, but the posting announcement calls for 46 30CH.

Final Award shows 46 30CH

Final Bid percentiles shows 46 30CH

All positions open via FCIF are filled.


Posting 0801

FCIF posting for 3 30CH

Final Award shows 3 30CH

Final Bid percentiles shows 49 30CH

All positions open via FCIF are filled. So far, so good. It all adds up....


Posting 0802

FCIF posting for ZERO 30CH

Final Award shows 8 30CH!

Final Bid percentiles shows 62 30CH.

This doesnt add up. First, there were no openings for 30CH on the FCIF. But, 8 got awarded it. How does that work? Then, 49 30CH from 0801 plus 8 30CH from 0802 equals 57 30CH. So how do we have 62 30CH on the 0802 bid percentiles??

Some got the award when CDG was canceled. But, there were no openings, via FCIF, to award to these people. How does that work??

Some that are listed on the final percentiles, that previously held CDG, are now holding 30CH and, their previous award shows 30CH. Not true. They never were awarded 30CH. They were awarded Bus Captain in CDG.

Openings are defined by FCIF. The Company, I dont think, can arbitrarily create them other than by FCIF. Because, there would be no way to legally define "create an excess" per the CBA!



Do I have the logic all wrong here, or is this a major muck up that needs to be corrected by our MEC ASAP?

unknown yet..depends on results...this over 60 crowd really gave it to us...

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Guys/Gals, the thing to remember is this was only a "practice bid"! The company does not usually worry about what is right or legal on the practice bids, they show who has bid what and where you might end up if it was a real bid. None of this is reality. The only thing that counts is the final bid. So let's not get wrapped up in excessing the excesses yet.

Thanks irapilot
 

That was my point Friday night -- thanks for asking the same question again. I was unable to get my point across. Practice bid or not, people just showing up on the 30HC list and not being awarded the seat in the bid does not make sense!

I think the Union needs to approach the Company with two options.

One, approach the Company with an early retirement package for over 60 guys that is drawn up my SS and JA. I am sure these guys are smart on the issues of sick usage, disability and productivity at other airlines with older guys flying. I am sure the company will listen. I hope the Memphis Mustache Mafia will!!!!! I has heard he is not going to approach the company with anything. Please, get him to listen this time to the membership!!!!!!

Two, Cancel all bids since Age 60 and start over.

If PC will not address the problems since 200 retreads are allowed to train again and again and again, then I think everyone whose bid was CNXed or is excessed should bid Hong Kong. Wide Body pay for everyone!

I contend that, "reverse order of seniority" should apply to all seat positions effected since age 60 was allowed to happen by DW and ALPA. If not, keeping Junior people in Honk Kong SHOULD cost the company big time.

Just a thought....
 

Just a thought ---- but what if the company gets a "surplus" of pilots bidding Airbus Capt to HKG (...in hopes of possibly getting some "passover pay" when the company choses not to send them).... AND continues to have a "deficit" of Airbus FOs to HKG.

Could/would the company call the bidding Capt's bluffs, and activate them all in HKG --- and then just call the junior Capt's in each month, off reserve, and have them fly in the right seat?

Is this legal under the CBA?

Nope, just on this latest excess bid.

Was your HKG Capt award on the first practice round of this excess bid?