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Old 07-26-2008, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER View Post
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I'm just saying that no matter how much UPS likes control; No matter how arrogant they are; UPS could easily enter into any number of agreements with DHL that will result in your packages moving on some of those other planes because one thing UPS does know is that they want to lower their costs. And they will be able to get away with it when they are in bed with DHL.

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The only reason I bother responding to these threads are the annoying doom and gloom forecast by the ASTAR guys.
Since DHL is so bad..you'll be better off without them.

You guys are comparing them to the NAZIs, right?

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Old 08-01-2008, 08:38 PM
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Dude,

Perhaps I was unclear in my post. I did not mean to imply doom and gloom. I meant to imply that there is the very distinct possibility that DHL and UPS will attempt this type of thing and you all should prepare for the battle. It is simply a warning.

Is it really that much of a stretch to imagine a scenario where UPS puts large amounts of boxes on DHL planes at overseas hubs? Do you really think it couldn't happen?

Lock and load and keep your powder dry because you can only win the fight if you are prepared. And I'd be happy for you if you won. I've got no horse in an overseas horse race and a UPS sleight of hand trick does none of us any good.

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Old 08-01-2008, 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER View Post
I meant to imply that there is the very distinct possibility that DHL and UPS will attempt this type of thing and you all should prepare for the battle.
Do you think that we aren't? That is why one of the first sections of our contract is Scope. No one knows until it is pressed to test if it is ever good enough, but things like you mention have certainly been contemplated. They could happen right now, without a DHL and it is something we are always vigilant of.
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Old 08-02-2008, 05:34 AM
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Do you think that we aren't? That is why one of the first sections of our contract is Scope. No one knows until it is pressed to test if it is ever good enough, but things like you mention have certainly been contemplated. They could happen right now, without a DHL and it is something we are always vigilant of.
Finally, someone who gets it. DHL is the least of our concerns right now as far as scope goes.
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Old 08-02-2008, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by 767pilot View Post
Do you think that we aren't? That is why one of the first sections of our contract is Scope. No one knows until it is pressed to test if it is ever good enough, but things like you mention have certainly been contemplated. They could happen right now, without a DHL and it is something we are always vigilant of.
To a degree it almost seems that many of the DHL/Astar guys were asleep at the wheel compared to us given the (cue holiday music) "...you better not gloat, you better not pry, you better not doubt, I'm telling you why, Deutche Dirtbags are comin' to town..." lecture from some. They'd have no reason to, but if they saw our (IPA's) contemplating and maneuvering over the many years (and what many believe was wasted money lobbying in DC and using consultants before Astar was even created) they'd be shocked. In the end, no matter how much we have contemplated the end of the world (and we have) UPS, DHL and the DD have more lawyers on retainer looking to ruin anybody in their way than we could dream of. In perfect hindsight (which everybody has) it likely wasn't a good idea to let a EU company that would be invading Poland if they could get away with it buy part of your parent company. Point is, no pilot group or union has the horsepower to stop this silliness. ALPA national dwarfs IPA when it comes to lobbying power, affiliation (OK, AFLCIO isn't what it used to be) and "clout" yet their list of victories over corporate interests is somewhat lacking. While it seems that some of the DHL/Astar guys are just waiting to say "I told you so" if UPS does fill up DHL lift overseas, I for one have no doubt UPS would and perhaps will do so if it adds up to them. We at IPA have simply been lucky SO FAR that it hasn't happened. The difference between us and DHL/Astar pilots is we've spent piles of dues money in DC so that we'd understand why we shouldn't pick up the soap in the shower.

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Old 08-02-2008, 05:14 PM
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B&G Rumors.... passed there from ASTAR jet pilots...... FWIW...no names and no confidence level... maybe this is more of a PPRUNE posting... Ohio politicians have cancelled their weekend visit plans in Wilmington as the deal may be off between UPS and DHL- I guess the news will be much watched tomorrow and Mon AM.

Rumors or darts..... just passing a cheap $.02

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Old 08-02-2008, 05:48 PM
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I'm really not trying to flame here, but how is this deal any different than the FedEx/USPS agreement?
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Old 08-02-2008, 06:03 PM
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Because apparently this one means the end of American industry as we know it.
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Old 08-02-2008, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by UPSFO4LIFE View Post
Finally, someone who gets it. DHL is the least of our concerns right now as far as scope goes.
Who knows, this thing could fall apart tomorrow. On the other hand, I've been flying around Asia for the last two weeks observing Air Hing Kong and some of the other DHL carriers. Given our size and efficiencies, they probably have more to worry about than we do if this US deal goes through.
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Old 08-02-2008, 06:12 PM
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I would guess it would be different since USPS uses UPS and commercial carriers. You want to throw half of that DHL freight into FDX cans, there would be no difference. I can guess that is how the DOJ will be presented the case against it as well. Where is there information the DHL deal is off? I thought this would go all the way to the courts.
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