Numbers on UPS hiring?
 

Curious what you guys are hearing for this year and next. If my suspicion is correct, this displacement and retraining is a lot of shuffle for nothing. There are guys going to the -8 panel who'll never fly there because something else will open when the DHL thing is finalized.

I heard 30-50 by the end of this year and 100-200 sometimes next year. ...then again, I also heard that the oil prices will fall really soon... :rolleyes:

But according to the ABX/Astar guys, we're about to lose all of our Int'l flying to DHL and probably sell off all the wide-bodies and layoff half on the seniority list.

Not that they want it to happen, but they are just warning us out of the goodness of their hearts, all the while they picket our company HQ claiming we are un-American.

Well.....you are based in Siberia, and do all your flying to other countries, that kind of make you UN-AMERICAN....right? :D

Ran into an ABX guy or was it Astar? (the one with the gray uni) on the jumpseating trail a few weeks ago and he was telling anyone who would listen that DHL itself will cease to exist (altogether) in 5 yrs time if they went ahead with this deal with UPS.

WHATZUTALKINGABOUTWILLIS??

So you believe that we're gonna fly their freight, and they're gonna fly our freight?

That makes perfect sense, why didn't I think of that?

I think control supersedes money for UPS as long as profits remain similar to how they have been the past several years. Lord knows they'd make a lot more if they listened to us line guys on occasion. Money would be a close second, however.

Slice, I agree with you but like you pointed out it probably holds true only IF we're making money. If we were to start losing money or even break even for a longer period of time - UPS will try other things in order to make money.

Everyone seems to know how UPS operates but did anyone here predict the DHL deal let’s say 12 months ago? I think it took the vast majority of our pilots and ground folks by surprise.

By the way, I'm not the one came up with this "crazy idea" as some here make it out to be - I heard it from one of our really senior captains who told me that while it's true that UPS likes to be in control, they like being profitable way more than being in control.

Obviously I hope he's wrong and that we'll be all right but only time will tell.

If this deal is signed, UPS hauls DHL's domestic volume, and UPS will likely have to hire.

If this deal doesn't get signed, DHL USA goes belly up, and UPS doesn't hire.

Seems to me that more pilots will be hired if the deal gets signed.

Either way ABX and Astar guys will be out of work. Too bad they can't see that they are hurting their chances of being hired here by blaming UPS for their problems.

Oh, and some are too good to be UPS S/Os according to some of them.