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Old 08-11-2008, 04:57 PM   #31  
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... Also to be considered is the loss of jobs for the pilots. UPS has a track record of not taking the pilots when they buy a company...
Well, how could they even attempt to integrate pilots based in Europe into the UPS pilot ranks? Have there ever been a European and a US airline merger? If so, how did they merge the two groups?

I think they’d have to keep the two companies separate…
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I don't know, how's Federal T Xpress (FTX) and United T Service (UTS)?
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Well, how could they even attempt to integrate pilots based in Europe into the UPS pilot ranks? Have there ever been a European and a US airline merger? If so, how did they merge the two groups?

I think they’d have to keep the two companies separate…
That was kinda my point. :-) Once they shuffle the cargo to make it impossible for us to fly it, thereby avoiding our scope clause, its a small matter to integrate TNT into the CGN hub. The acquistition would be moot.
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That was kinda my point. :-) Once they shuffle the cargo to make it impossible for us to fly it, thereby avoiding our scope clause, its a small matter to integrate TNT into the CGN hub. The acquistition would be moot.
I see, tx. You have a good point there...
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...Shooting from the hip I would think the two biggest things would be the cost of airline tickets (business class or better?) and hotel standby (room costs plus per diem) in those places.
We don't have much of either. The 767 guys fly across ourselves and then do the intra work with no tickets and no reserves other than Star and MNG who are there anyway.

Putting a domicile in Germany just isn't that easy, talk to any of our guys that live there. Anyone ready to take the German language competency test required if you want to live there for more than a few month?
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... Putting a domicile in Germany just isn't that easy, talk to any of our guys that live there. Anyone ready to take the German language competency test required if you want to live there for more than a few month?
Huh? That's the first I’ve heard and I have numerous friends living there, a few speak no German whatsoever... Is this something new?

Or maybe you’re talking about immigrants who move to
Germany permanently and have to take a German language competency test in order to get a permanent residency permit (we call it green card here).
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Huh? That's the first Iíve heard and I have numerous friends living there, a few speak no German whatsoever... Is this something new?

Or maybe youíre talking about immigrants who move to
Germany permanently and have to take a German language competency test in order to get a permanent residency permit (we call it green card here).
Are your friends in the military? The competency test is indeed for those that wish an extended stay, like a green card, and the ability to come and go without a hassle. Wouldn't you think that pilots based there would fit that definition? Like I said, we have a few pilots that live over there, ask them about it.

As for the language test, I see a certain irony between pilots that wouldn't want to take such a test and still be able to live and work there and the same guys who may wish to deny spanish only speakers the same privelage here .

As the diceman used to say, "if you don't speak the language, get the F%$! out of the country!" Works in other places s well
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As for the language test, I see a certain irony between pilots that wouldn't want to take such a test and still be able to live and work there and the same guys who may wish to deny spanish only speakers the same privelage here .
I'm guessing you really do see the difference. One is a person who takes a job in a foreign country for a limited amount of time, the other plans to live in our country permanently and expects us to learn and produce things in his language. "Press 1 for English".
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Are your friends in the military? The competency test is indeed for those that wish an extended stay, like a green card, and the ability to come and go without a hassle. Wouldn't you think that pilots based there would fit that definition? Like I said, we have a few pilots that live over there, ask them about it.

As for the language test, I see a certain irony between pilots that wouldn't want to take such a test and still be able to live and work there and the same guys who may wish to deny spanish only speakers the same privelage here .

As the diceman used to say, "if you don't speak the language, get the F%$! out of the country!" Works in other places s well
Well, there you have it - a green card is not something that any of our pilots will ever need unless they decide to move to Germany permanently. Green card (which is actually pink ) is a "Permanent Residency Card" - notice the word 'permanent'.

If they apply for Green Card they should be tested for knowing the German language just as we should test those who want to live here for English (or press 2 for Spanish )


None of my friend is in the military over there, several work in the pharmaceutical business, a couple work for DHL and few others work for Lufthansa IT department.

They are all on long term visas and German is not required of them (even though some are taking classes right now for their own benefit).

Long term visa is probably what we'd get if a domicile ever opened there.

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