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08-13-2008, 11:00 AM
#21
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The company will do/allow many things to the schedule that they will not allow an individual pilot to do.
Block times in excess of 7+35
and no Single R days are some of the messages I have gotten when trying to improve my schedule when trying to drop/move R days.
Think they stand behind the "unreasonable" verbiage on drop/moving R days. It is amazing how tough it can be in some seats to drop an R day even with no open time and max open......maxed out. Also surprising how I can get different results with different schedulers even though the situation is exactly the same,
Block times in excess of 7+35
and no Single R days are some of the messages I have gotten when trying to improve my schedule when trying to drop/move R days.
Think they stand behind the "unreasonable" verbiage on drop/moving R days. It is amazing how tough it can be in some seats to drop an R day even with no open time and max open......maxed out. Also surprising how I can get different results with different schedulers even though the situation is exactly the same,
08-13-2008, 11:40 AM
#22
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Originally Posted by Lindy
My reference is Reserve Line Construction:
25.D.3. (a-e)
Basically, the top 60% reserve lines have blocks of 4 R-Days and the rest have a minimum of 3 R-Days (but no R-Days on weekends).
In the past, scheduling would not let us stand a single R-Day; we had to have a minimum of two.
MD-11 Freight Dog, well, I don't know what to say. I would ask ALPA if this is a change with the last contract. (And you didn't have to put your calendar available....I'm not motivated enough to even go look to see who you are!!).
25.D.3. (a-e)
Basically, the top 60% reserve lines have blocks of 4 R-Days and the rest have a minimum of 3 R-Days (but no R-Days on weekends).
In the past, scheduling would not let us stand a single R-Day; we had to have a minimum of two.
MD-11 Freight Dog, well, I don't know what to say. I would ask ALPA if this is a change with the last contract. (And you didn't have to put your calendar available....I'm not motivated enough to even go look to see who you are!!).
On the standalone R-day, I think this only applies to bid package lines. Not after they have chopped it up after vac/trn/etc. Its a good possibility I'm wrong but that's how I see it.
08-13-2008, 06:22 PM
#23
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Originally Posted by Lindy
My reference is Reserve Line Construction:
25.D.3. (a-e)
Basically, the top 60% reserve lines have blocks of 4 R-Days and the rest have a minimum of 3 R-Days (but no R-Days on weekends).
In the past, scheduling would not let us stand a single R-Day; we had to have a minimum of two.
MD-11 Freight Dog, well, I don't know what to say. I would ask ALPA if this is a change with the last contract. (And you didn't have to put your calendar available....I'm not motivated enough to even go look to see who you are!!).
25.D.3. (a-e)
Basically, the top 60% reserve lines have blocks of 4 R-Days and the rest have a minimum of 3 R-Days (but no R-Days on weekends).
In the past, scheduling would not let us stand a single R-Day; we had to have a minimum of two.
MD-11 Freight Dog, well, I don't know what to say. I would ask ALPA if this is a change with the last contract. (And you didn't have to put your calendar available....I'm not motivated enough to even go look to see who you are!!).
08-13-2008, 06:46 PM
#24
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Does anyone know where the "searchable" version of the CBA is?
I vaguely remember someone or something talking about an online copy of the CBA that had a search function.
And, is anyone else having trouble looking at the CBA on the ALPA website?
I vaguely remember someone or something talking about an online copy of the CBA that had a search function.
And, is anyone else having trouble looking at the CBA on the ALPA website?
08-13-2008, 06:56 PM
#25
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Originally Posted by Busboy
Does anyone know where the "searchable" version of the CBA is?
I vaguely remember someone or something talking about an online copy of the CBA that had a search function.
And, is anyone else having trouble looking at the CBA on the ALPA website?
PDF: Collective Bargaining Agreement eff. Oct 30, 2006
html: Collective Bargaining Agreement eff. Oct 30, 2006
Microsoft Word Document: Collective Bargaining Agreement eff. Oct 30, 2006
Microsoft Windows HTML Help File: Collective Bargaining Agreement eff. Oct 30, 2006
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08-13-2008, 08:10 PM
#27
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Originally Posted by Busboy
Thank you Tony.
The Magicwebfx version is the one I was thinking of.
And now, magically, I can open the ALPA models also.
The Magicwebfx version is the one I was thinking of.
And now, magically, I can open the ALPA models also.
Try http://www.magicwebfx.net/download/FDX-contract.exe
08-14-2008, 04:02 AM
#28
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For the single R day, I think it is when we try to move or drop that the scheduling program won't let us do that, but when it comes to constructing a line, the VTO's, will fire a lone R day here and there at will. Those of us who roll the dice with a VTO, we get crapped out with a lone R day every once in a while.
As for bidding training, if you have a big block and want to fish from the golden pond, conflict it....just don't forget to input your wants in the view add window, because the software won't do you any favors, ie drop everything, and give you nothing in return!
As for bidding training, if you have a big block and want to fish from the golden pond, conflict it....just don't forget to input your wants in the view add window, because the software won't do you any favors, ie drop everything, and give you nothing in return!
08-14-2008, 06:42 AM
#29
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I think MD11Fr8dog is correct.
The construction of bid lines does not allow for a lone R-day on reserve lines, per the CBA.
CBA 25.D.3.c In the top 60% of reserve lines, R-days shall be grouped into a block(s) with a minimum of 4 R-days. Other reserve lines shall have block(s) with a minimum of 3 R-days; provided, however, that reserve lines that contain blocks of 3 R-days shall not contain any R-days on weekends.
VTO's built as reserve lines must be built under the same provisions.
CBA 25.D.2.e Secondary lines shall be constructed to comply with the provisions of Section 25.D.1.b. through D.1.e. (above), provided, however, that a secondary line constructed as a reserve line shall comply with the provisions of Section 25.D.3. (below).
Reserve/Recurrent training conflicts can leave a single R-day. As, long as it is the only day remaining from the original block of R-days in conflict. In other words, as long as you don't split the block of R-days up with training, you will keep the unconflicted r-day(s).
CBA 4.l.a.ii.(a) If the pilot's recurrent training conflicts with a block of R-days but does not split that block (i.e., it does not leave an R-day(s) both before and after the recurrent training), then only the R- days in conflict with recurrent training shall be dropped as a phase-in conflict and the pilot shall remain responsible for the remaining R-days.
CBA 4.l.a.ii.(b) If the pilot's recurrent training splits a block of R-days, then the entire block shall be dropped as a phase-in conflict and the pilot shall not be responsible for any of the R-days in that block.
Now, a VTO line with trips and R-days? That's a good question. I can't find anything that would preclude scheduling from adding a single R-Day to bring the VTO line up to BLG.
The construction of bid lines does not allow for a lone R-day on reserve lines, per the CBA.
CBA 25.D.3.c In the top 60% of reserve lines, R-days shall be grouped into a block(s) with a minimum of 4 R-days. Other reserve lines shall have block(s) with a minimum of 3 R-days; provided, however, that reserve lines that contain blocks of 3 R-days shall not contain any R-days on weekends.
VTO's built as reserve lines must be built under the same provisions.
CBA 25.D.2.e Secondary lines shall be constructed to comply with the provisions of Section 25.D.1.b. through D.1.e. (above), provided, however, that a secondary line constructed as a reserve line shall comply with the provisions of Section 25.D.3. (below).
Reserve/Recurrent training conflicts can leave a single R-day. As, long as it is the only day remaining from the original block of R-days in conflict. In other words, as long as you don't split the block of R-days up with training, you will keep the unconflicted r-day(s).
CBA 4.l.a.ii.(a) If the pilot's recurrent training conflicts with a block of R-days but does not split that block (i.e., it does not leave an R-day(s) both before and after the recurrent training), then only the R- days in conflict with recurrent training shall be dropped as a phase-in conflict and the pilot shall remain responsible for the remaining R-days.
CBA 4.l.a.ii.(b) If the pilot's recurrent training splits a block of R-days, then the entire block shall be dropped as a phase-in conflict and the pilot shall not be responsible for any of the R-days in that block.
Now, a VTO line with trips and R-days? That's a good question. I can't find anything that would preclude scheduling from adding a single R-Day to bring the VTO line up to BLG.
08-14-2008, 06:46 AM
#30
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I had them build me a single R day to get closer to the buy up or at blg, so VTO, beware. If you bid the R lines, you have a much better chance of conflicting if that is your intention.
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