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FDXFLYR 03-16-2006 06:52 AM

FedEx Move Package for ANC?
 
I know how to get this solved: all commuters based in ANC should bid to either LAX or MEM on the next equipment bid. It would be better if ANC residents would do it too, but that's a bit unrealistic.

Facing the possibility of reverse bidding ANC, the company would cough up the funds for a move package. We're around 70% commuters, can you imagine the turmoil around the bid analysis table...?!

FR8Hauler 03-16-2006 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by FDXFLYR
I know how to get this solved: all commuters based in ANC should bid to either LAX or MEM on the next equipment bid. It would be better if ANC residents would do it too, but that's a bit unrealistic.

Facing the possibility of reverse bidding ANC, the company would cough up the funds for a move package. We're around 70% commuters, can you imagine the turmoil around the bid analysis table...?!

Great idea, but would still get people to bid it. The company is already feeling it since they have had to reverse themselves on their "safety" policy of no new hires in the MD-11. I think the first year guys who bid it are crazy anyway. If they don't get through training they are hosed.

FDXFLYR 03-16-2006 04:37 PM

You're right it'll never happen, but I thought it was an interesting idea.

A first year guy probably has a better chance of completing initial MD-11 training than an experienced FedExer. A new guy has more recent stick time and more than likely came from an electronic jet with FMS and glass. I've heard the guys who bust out of initial MD-11 school tend to be someone who has been away from the front seat for more than five years (SOs and SO LCAs) or real senior captains who have not been in an initial training class for years. But your point is valid regarding the risk new hires take; that's a lot to put on the line in case you don't make it!

FR8Hauler 03-16-2006 06:19 PM

Plus, the pay is the same regardless.

Ranger 03-16-2006 11:58 PM


Originally Posted by FR8Hauler
Great idea, but would still get people to bid it. The company is already feeling it since they have had to reverse themselves on their "safety" policy of no new hires in the MD-11. I think the first year guys who bid it are crazy anyway. If they don't get through training they are hosed.

That's not how it is supposed to work. The idea is to put together a new hire class or classes that would be ASSIGNED to the MD-11. They wouldn't have a choice. It raises all kinds of interesting pass over pay issues for the junior folks already on the property. I hope the junior guys/gals study up on the contract and figure out how to both protect themselves and qualify for pass over.

koz2000 03-17-2006 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by Ranger
I hope the junior guys/gals study up on the contract and figure out how to both protect themselves and qualify for pass over.


Just to help ones that this might apply (pg163 on the pdf)

24.E.5.d
If throught the application of Section 24.E.5.c (above), a junior pilot is activated into a crew position for which a senior pilot(s) did not have the opportunity to bid, the eligible senior pilot(s) shall be paid passover pay in the same manner described in Section 24.D.2.b.....

FedEx1 03-17-2006 05:45 PM

It is true that new hires will be hand picked and assigned the MD-11. It's called the, (I kid you not), Purple Nugget Program. They have a new syllabus- there will be observation rides before the sims. This is why they are accumulating a pilot pool- they will pick out guys with glass/heavy experience for the MD-11.

Passover pay is a non-issue when compared to training costs.

FR8Hauler 03-17-2006 10:57 PM


Originally Posted by FedEx1
It is true that new hires will be hand picked and assigned the MD-11. It's called the, (I kid you not), Purple Nugget Program. They have a new syllabus- there will be observation rides before the sims. This is why they are accumulating a pilot pool- they will pick out guys with glass/heavy experience for the MD-11.

Passover pay is a non-issue when compared to training costs.

This is true. I have personaly been told this by the Chief Pilot and an ACP. They plan to handpick guys with glass experience as new hires to go into the MD-11. Completely circumvents the senority system and I hope the guys that get cut out of the pattern take it to the bank.

VegasBoy 03-18-2006 10:45 AM

It might be comparing apples to purple oranges; however, I was hired at Gemini on the MD-11 and went through new hire training on it. It wasn't all that difficult and the airplane is a piece of cake to fly. Very transparent sytems and nice flying characteristics.

Some of the gouge stuff we had going through training was FedEx and UPS stuff. The MD-10/11 differences would be a pain but other than that, new hires should be able to handle it.

So, Mr. Smith, I'm ready for my class date. Please contact me at your convenience.

FR8Hauler 03-18-2006 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by VegasBoy
It might be comparing apples to purple oranges; however, I was hired at Gemini on the MD-11 and went through new hire training on it. It wasn't all that difficult and the airplane is a piece of cake to fly. Very transparent sytems and nice flying characteristics.

Some of the gouge stuff we had going through training was FedEx and UPS stuff. The MD-10/11 differences would be a pain but other than that, new hires should be able to handle it.

So, Mr. Smith, I'm ready for my class date. Please contact me at your convenience.

Nothing to do with how difficult rthe MD-11 training is. It is just that FedEx mgmt is doing this with disregard to the senority system. According to our contract will have to pay passover to those pilots senior that are not afforded same chance. Hope you get the chance to do it!


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