Originally Posted by penguin22 (Post 447245)

And here’s Jungle, our capitalism expert, lecturing us while he hides safely behind his protectionist and very un-capitalistic scope clause. Tell you what, Jungle. You drop your scope clause to free up UPS so they can chose any vendor of air services they want. We’ve got a bunch of 767s we’re going to put into ACMI after DHL leaves, and we’ll just pick up a few of your routes, OK?

Originally Posted by Sideshow Bob (Post 447230)

I flew out of CVG in a Kalitta B727 for months '94-'95, doing STL-ORD-CVG (Sort) CVG-ATL-STL two weeks on, two weeks off weekend in a real fleabag overlooking Lambert. I also did EWR-CVG-EWR and airport "hot standby" at a pretty decent hotel next to a brewery (can't remember the name). We had as many as three airplanes on property in CVG at any one time. When I was there we were non-union, but brought Teamsters on just as I was leaving for UPS. I'm not sure who they replaced us with, but was told by the ramp manager that Connie had gotten too expensive. Maybe I should have picketed during the sort :D.

Originally Posted by Sideshow Bob (Post 447236)

I suppose it's the big elephant in the room. I did bring it up at happy hour with some of your guys in HKG once, and the subject was changed pretty fast. But since you bring it up, having so many part time non-union drivers and sort workers is a huge cost advantage over UPS. Our drivers/sorters make good coin, and excellent benefits. Many drivers there for 20 or more years have huge caches of stock often hypothecated before they went public. We thought that after honoring their picket lines in '97 we might get some real support when we requested release in '98 but the labor friendly Clinton administration cut our legs out from under us telling us that not only would we never be allowed to strike, but we'd never, ever get released from mediation, so we never got to see for ourselves. However, after walking the line with them in OAK for example I wasn't afraid for my life there anymore :D

Originally Posted by hvydriver (Post 447282)

Sideshow, speaking of honoring picket lines, I recall a tiny little company called DHLAirways/Astar that put out press releases stating that we would not carry any UPS material in '98. Thanks for the support bro!

Originally Posted by Sideshow Bob (Post 447297)

And if you were to get released from mediation and struck, you'd have our support. Should we refuse to haul cans with DHL volume?

Originally Posted by hvydriver (Post 447278)

Uhh.. I've been with Astar/DHL since 89. The charter a/c that were on property were specifically there to cover while we built up our own fleet. It wasn't a state secret that it was a temporary contract.

Originally Posted by hvydriver (Post 447302)

Nope. It's not the same thing. You know that bro. ;) I suppose it would be too much to ask for an official statement from IPA that the deal stinks, though.

Originally Posted by Sideshow Bob (Post 447303)

So since it was just lowly Kalitta, it was a "temporary" deal and "just one those things" while your vendor agreement with DHL was unconditional and not time limited and hence somehow more sacred?

Originally Posted by fedupbusdriver (Post 447139)

Sign me up for some of that!
Maybe you could also require me to learn the Koran, in Farsi.....:eek: