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magneto 07-19-2017 10:10 PM

Heard rumor NAC and Aloha Cargo going to combine onto one certificate. Anyone know about this? And what are their future plans?

Hawaii808 07-27-2017 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by magneto (Post 2397185)
Heard rumor NAC and Aloha Cargo going to combine onto one certificate. Anyone know about this? And what are their future plans?

Rumors are true. Joint contract negotiations start this week. Should be interesting. They have a timeline for 767 flying early next year.

tengssuuciurta 09-01-2017 05:02 PM

Any updates on negotiations or hiring?

wjcandee 09-01-2017 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by tengssuuciurta (Post 2423627)
Any updates on negotiations or hiring?

Don't know about that, but there was an official press release on July 5 by an ATSG subsidiary (CAM, as described above), that it had reached an agreement to dry-lease 3 767-300s to Northern Aviation Services, the parent company. It said that some of these aircraft would be used by Northern's subsidiaries to replace flying currently being done by ABX Air for Aloha, and also mentioned NAC.

There is currently one fully-converted 767-300 sitting in ILN that apparently will be leased out to someone and not used by one of ATSG's airline subsidiaries; it is quite possible that this will be the first one for Northern (or it might be for another customer -- I can't be sure). The press release about the agreement said that the first delivery would be in October.

For the person above who asked whether the ATSG aircraft were needed for Amazon: ATSG now has all 20 of its Amazon-contract aircraft in service: 8 767-300s and 12 767-200s. At least for now, all further new Amazon Prime aircraft will be owned and converted by Atlas's leasing subsidiary and operated by Atlas Air. Atlas is contracted for 20 767-300s, and currently has 8 Prime Air dedicated aircraft (plus one white-painted maintenance spare that covers DHL and Amazon as needed). They are currently operating 6 routes plus one hot spare with those 8 aircraft, and should get another route soon, as should ATI, which has one more Prime Air 767-300 in service than they need for their current routes.

magneto 09-02-2017 08:13 AM

NAC and Aloha Cargo will merge onto one cert by end of next year.
First 767 will be delivered to Aloha in Nov. Pilots already in training.
Next 2 767s show up first quaryrr 2018.
They have TA for 737, still working on 767.
First yr FO, $70/hr

motorclutch 09-02-2017 08:22 AM

Interesting. How are you guys going to prove 180 ETOPS? It doesn't just come with the lease. Good luck.

tengssuuciurta 09-02-2017 08:42 AM

Is the 767 expected to go junior or senior? Also, what would competitive mins be?

sACKtis 09-02-2017 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by motorclutch (Post 2423889)
Interesting. How are you guys going to prove 180 ETOPS? It doesn't just come with the lease. Good luck.

It's gonna be flying around empty until they get that.

magneto 09-02-2017 12:56 PM

First, Aloha Airline was the first company to get ETOPS for the 737, so they know what they are doing.
Second, plan is to fly on the mainland until the paperwork is done.
Plan to hire about 40 next yr.

WhipWhitaker 09-02-2017 09:45 PM


Originally Posted by magneto (Post 2423993)
First, Aloha Airline was the first company to get ETOPS for the 737, so they know what they are doing.
Second, plan is to fly on the mainland until the paperwork is done.
Plan to hire about 40 next yr.

I assume this is too far out, but any idea on a schedule for the 57/6? Two weeks on, two weeks off? On the table?


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