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nitefr8dog 07-24-2019 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by Aviatour (Post 2858619)
Is there a possibility of people based in HNL (from Aloha) being placed in another base after the merge? Or are they guaranteed to stay in HNL?

Guaranteed? In aviation? Now that is funny....

wjcandee 07-25-2019 09:12 AM

When I said the Aloha 767, I meant the one that's painted in the Aloha Air Cargo livery. Technically, it's not a wet lease. It's a dry lease with a separate, temporary, CMI agreement with ATI until such time as NAC gets its ETOPS certification. However, I appreciate your clarification that the aircraft is on the NAC certificate rather than the Aloha one.

flyjustinfly 08-09-2019 10:57 PM

Are there any 767 pilots on here that can give a summary of the training with NAC?

tikicarver 08-13-2019 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by Aviatour (Post 2858619)
Is there a possibility of people based in HNL (from Aloha) being placed in another base after the merge? Or are they guaranteed to stay in HNL?

there are no guarantees of anything in aviation. just ask the pilots at United that got displaced out of their domiciles after the merge with CO. or the pilots at Hawaiian that lived in SEA and then HAL closed the base. I could give 50 more examples, but you get the point.

That being said, the answer to your question depends on what you mean. If you are a HNL based 737 and want to stay on the 737 in HNL, you will have no worries of being displaced. The HNL flying is not going anywhere and there are always FOs moving on, so once you are in the base, you would stay there.
But if you got hired and eventually got on the 767 based in HNL.
The company could decide to change the 767 base to LAX or SEA or some other place. In that case, you would have displacement rights, which are basically you can bid for whatever your current seniority can hold. You could even bid to the 737 in HNL.
The merge has no effect on your base. We have one seniority list.

tikicarver 08-13-2019 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by wjcandee (Post 2859073)
When I said the Aloha 767, I meant the one that's painted in the Aloha Air Cargo livery. Technically, it's not a wet lease. It's a dry lease with a separate, temporary, CMI agreement with ATI until such time as NAC gets its ETOPS certification. However, I appreciate your clarification that the aircraft is on the NAC certificate rather than the Aloha one.

Well our CEO says it is a wet lease, so I defer to him
it is a NAC 767, because Aloha does not have any 767s on their certificate and never will. the N-number is listed in the NAC op-specs.
As I said before, Aloha Air Cargo is a brand name.
The other 767s are painted one in NAC livery and one in StratAir livery. StratAir is not even an airline, they are just a freight forwarding company. But Salt Chuk owns them too.

tikicarver 08-13-2019 07:51 PM

[QUOTE=flyjustinfly;2867941]Are there any 767 pilots on here that can give a summary of the training with NAC?[/QUOTE

-10 days of indoc
-Go to Boeing in MIA and take their 767 initial coarse ( about 6 weeks)
- do OE in MIA , min of 25 hrs
-released to the line

wjcandee 08-14-2019 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by tikicarver (Post 2869910)
Well our CEO says it is a wet lease, so I defer to him
it is a NAC 767, because Aloha does not have any 767s on their certificate and never will. the N-number is listed in the NAC op-specs.
As I said before, Aloha Air Cargo is a brand name.
The other 767s are painted one in NAC livery and one in StratAir livery. StratAir is not even an airline, they are just a freight forwarding company. But Salt Chuk owns them too.

Yeah. It's semantics. What it is is a dry lease to NAC with a temporary CMI contract, which for most people's purposes means that currently it is a "wet lease". And it's simpler to explain that way. But we all also know that when NAC gets ETOPS, the airframe will not be flown by ATI but rather by NAC. ATSG/CAM has a program they call "wet to dry", where they'll operate the aircraft until you are ready to do so. That's what this is.

Everything else you say is correct. The StratAir plane is a flying billboard for StratAir, and is leased by and operated by NAC.

Twin Beech 09-10-2019 12:03 AM

Does anyone have any information on the next 767 Miami class dates? I have applied but haven't heard anything and wondering when the next class date is scheduled.

Omanko 09-10-2019 11:47 PM

Oct. 1st i think....

tikicarver 09-11-2019 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by Omanko (Post 2885142)
Oct. 1st i think....

there is no new hire class for the 767 scheduled in Oct.

The 767 training was stopped for a short period to take care of some problems with the training program.

Pilots that are currently waiting for 767 training will start up again in Oct, maybe that is what you heard.


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