What are the new contract rates out of curiosity?

With the regionals offering up 70k+ a schedule and quick upgrade I cant understand why anyone would go work for a non-sked.

Are all schedules 14/14 and will that remain with the next contract? And whats the 767 pay working out like?

Can't edit my last post but also wanted to ask about who NAC has jumpseat agreements with.

ANC schedules are a shotgun spray of reserve and assigned flying, the Laredo isn't 2 on 2 off, its 15-18 days on (including travel days) rest of the month off.

Whats the latest? Spoke to the C.P., BB, back in October. I have a 737 type and 757 time. I can easily do Miami but have heard naddah! I think I'll give him a call again. Thanks for any info.

No, but will call BB next week.

Does anybody have any info on NAC? Love it? Hate it? Looking for something where I can be ANC based.

Anything new about the 767 or 737?

B767 Freighters? Where would they get them?

ABX Air through ATSG.

Don't they need all of theirs for Amazon?

ATSG is a big umbrella covering a bunch of subsidiary companies. One of those companies is CAM - Cargo Aircraft Management. They're in the business of buying, converting, and leasing cargo aircraft. They will happily lease to anybody, inside ATSG or out - ABX, ATI, DHL, NAC, etc.

It's been quiet
 

Three plus months and it's gone really quiet.

Any new news?
Is Miami still going?
More A/C? 767s?
Parking 737-200s?

Would be a great gig if you're lucky enough to get in.

Thank you.

The company is dragging their feet getting the contract done. They've parked one 737-200 and are in the process of adding a 737-400. The 767's aren't really close to delivery, and there are talks of pushing them back into 2018. Frankly, until the company makes a serious effort to get a contract done, the 767 is just a paper airplane. It certainly could be a great place to work, but right now there are a lot better options out there pay-wise. For guys that want to work in the lower 48, there are much better paying jobs. For guys that want to be in Alaska, NAC is no safe bet, as Miami is bound to go fairly junior. Which is probably why they can't hire anybody right now.

That's too bad
 

Thanks ak. There are people out there that would come but as you say the contract is important. Hope good news is forthcoming and all the best.

Do you guys fly a lot? What's the average flight time FO's bring in every month? What are competitive numbers to get hired? Is having Alaska turbine flight time experience a big thing?

We don't fly much, however it does seem to depend on the season. Summer, expect to fly 50ish. Winter, 15-20. That's actual block, there is currently no chance of crediting extra other than an odd day off call, travel assignment, or training. Keep in mind that's in AK, Laredo-do you have a magic 8 ball? That's the big plus to working here for us AK folks. If you're looking to build time towards another gig or whatever, I'd recommend somewhere else. Not sure what the company is looking for time wise in applicants. Twin Turbine time is a big plus, not necessarily "Alaska" time. They're still being a little selective on who gets brought in, make sure your resume is free of large spelling/grammatical errors. Hope this helps

Heard rumor NAC and Aloha Cargo going to combine onto one certificate. Anyone know about this? And what are their future plans?

Rumors are true. Joint contract negotiations start this week. Should be interesting. They have a timeline for 767 flying early next year.

Any updates on negotiations or hiring?

Don't know about that, but there was an official press release on July 5 by an ATSG subsidiary (CAM, as described above), that it had reached an agreement to dry-lease 3 767-300s to Northern Aviation Services, the parent company. It said that some of these aircraft would be used by Northern's subsidiaries to replace flying currently being done by ABX Air for Aloha, and also mentioned NAC.

There is currently one fully-converted 767-300 sitting in ILN that apparently will be leased out to someone and not used by one of ATSG's airline subsidiaries; it is quite possible that this will be the first one for Northern (or it might be for another customer -- I can't be sure). The press release about the agreement said that the first delivery would be in October.

For the person above who asked whether the ATSG aircraft were needed for Amazon: ATSG now has all 20 of its Amazon-contract aircraft in service: 8 767-300s and 12 767-200s. At least for now, all further new Amazon Prime aircraft will be owned and converted by Atlas's leasing subsidiary and operated by Atlas Air. Atlas is contracted for 20 767-300s, and currently has 8 Prime Air dedicated aircraft (plus one white-painted maintenance spare that covers DHL and Amazon as needed). They are currently operating 6 routes plus one hot spare with those 8 aircraft, and should get another route soon, as should ATI, which has one more Prime Air 767-300 in service than they need for their current routes.

NAC and Aloha Cargo will merge onto one cert by end of next year.
First 767 will be delivered to Aloha in Nov. Pilots already in training.
Next 2 767s show up first quaryrr 2018.
They have TA for 737, still working on 767.
First yr FO, $70/hr

Interesting. How are you guys going to prove 180 ETOPS? It doesn't just come with the lease. Good luck.

Is the 767 expected to go junior or senior? Also, what would competitive mins be?

It's gonna be flying around empty until they get that.

First, Aloha Airline was the first company to get ETOPS for the 737, so they know what they are doing.
Second, plan is to fly on the mainland until the paperwork is done.
Plan to hire about 40 next yr.

I assume this is too far out, but any idea on a schedule for the 57/6? Two weeks on, two weeks off? On the table?

HA! Contractually, NAC pilots are required only 12 days off per calendar month (not a 28 day bid period). I wouldn't expect anything more than that. There is no training program for the 767 at NAC (the surviving certificate). They just lost a highly qualified Manager of Training because they tried to slash his pay by a substantial amount AFTER offering him a job.

They're trying to hire people into a base (MIA) and an aircraft (767) that are both a long way from being a reality.

People are leaving NAC in droves to go to Alaska and Atlas. You may want to ask yourself why that is before applying.

Yup.. Incident: Westjet B763 near Calgary on Aug 27th 2017, airspeed disagree

Not sure if subject aircraft was leased to WJ from ATSG. I do know that ATSG got some ex- Qantas 767-338 aircraft. Subject aircraft was idle in storage for some period prior to flight.

This is a passenger aircraft. I'm having trouble connecting the dots.

CAM, the ATSG subsidiary that does aircraft leasing, stands for "Cargo Aircraft Management". They're in the business of buying 767s, converting them for cargo use, and then leasing them. So in all likelihood, that was not a CAM aircraft.

Well, excuse me ! :o I have some flights in ex Qantas birds in my logbook (N317CM, N362CM) that ATSG/CAM had the good sense to lease to ABX during at least some of my career there. I must have mixed up West Jet with some other bottom feeder up north that I vaguely recall ABX doing some sort of equipment swap with, among several others.

have a friend there that said they are still negotiating the 767 pay.
no word on schedules. Aloha currently does 14 days ON and 3 rsv days for everyone with a 28 period.

Aloha already has a training program for the 767,pilots already in training.

My friend thinks people are waiting to see what the pay and schedule looks like before they decide to bid for the 767

Their training program is really irrelevant. There will never be a 767 flown on the Aloha certificate. Any 767 pilots will have to be trained on the NAC certificate before they fly. Anyone hired at Aloha will eventually be a NAC pilot.

So if you are trying to say all the pilots already trained on 767 at Aloha will have to re-train under NAC certificate., dont think so. I worked at a place that had 2 certificates. When they moved my fleet to the other cert, we just had to take a 2 day differences class.
Since Aloha already has an appoved 767 training program. Most likely they will just take that program and put it under NAC.

Aloha DOES NOT have an approved 767 training program. They are sending guys to Boeing training to get typed, but they will still have to do the company training once it gets approved. The head dispatcher that was point man on ETOPS just left for Hawaiian. This merger has been handled very poorly by NAS management and contract negotiations are moving very slowly. I don't expect the 767 to be flying any time this year.

word on the coconut network...
The app for merging certificates and ETOPS was given to the FAA.

First 767 shows up in HNL on Nov 1,
will be flown by ATSG crews untill FAA approves certificate.
Management thinks it will happen by Jan.

Contract talks continue, but if they don't settle on something by Nov 20 it will go to expedited mediation. either way, there will be a new contract by end of Jan.