Northern Air Cargo
10-17-2020, 10:38 AM
#302
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Joined APC: Aug 2016
Posts: 493
Originally Posted by GoodVibeRidez
Missed the last opening for HNL FO 76 couple months ago. Any plans for Northern to operate any more 76s out of HNL? Hope your all doing well over there.
I thought they were going to get MIA staffed better before turning to finally bringing-in-house the Aloha-dry-leased, ATI-operated ETOPS HNL 767.
Haven't they brought in an ATI 767-300 to MIA recently to cover MIA business they can't currently-handle, even with lots of hours available in the day when their 2 MIA 767s aren't flying? I assumed that was a crewing issue, not an issue of availability of the metal.
12-24-2020, 03:30 PM
#303
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Joined APC: Jun 2012
Position: FTE
Posts: 194
here are the facts, no rumors, yes I work at NAC/AAC
Northern Air Cargo and Aloha Air Cargo are one pilot group. The parent Company has 2 certificates, for business reasons they have decided to keep both, at least for now. Maybe they merger the two groups in the future but doesn't really matter much because we have one Contract and one seniority list.
What does matter is what Company you get hired at, because currently each is doing their own hiring and you will have a two year seat lock before you can bid off the aircraft you are on. The 767 is on the NAC certificate, so if you want to fly the 767 you need to apply at NAC. If you want to fly the 737 and be based in HNL you need to apply at Aloha. If you want to fly the 737 in ANC, apply at NAC.
Both companies have vacancies, Aloha just opened the window for new apps, NAC is still working their pile of existing ones. But that might change soon. There are a few vacancies to fill in 737ANC.
There are also some 767 vacancies , but they are still pulling from the pile of resumes they have.
Both companies have 737 flying in the Lower 48.
Aloha has a 2 year contract for the USPS flying ONT-GSO
NAC has a 2 year contract for USPS flying SLC-EWR
If you get hired for the 737 for either company you will likely be only able to hold one of those lines because they are not popular with the local pilots. For ANC those lines go to the junior pilots. For HNL the junior CAs get them and they are not going junior for FOs, seems like some FOs in HNL like them.
These lines are 17 day trips out of your base. So day 1 is DH, then 15 days of a mix of flight days and reserve days, and DH back to domicile. That is why they are not popular, you are gone 17 days. and it is possible to get back to back trips, but you could also get back to back days off and have 26 days off in a row.
Aloha just opened their window. Currently the NAC window is closed, but that might change early next year.
We have 8, 737-300s, rumor is a 9th coming. 2 flying the lower 48 routes, 3 in HNL , 2 in ANC , 1 spare.
Currently have 4, 767-300s. Two based in MIA, one in HNL and one being delivered in Feb.
The 767s in MIA fly to South America, SJU, KIN and do charters when they come up.
The 767 in HNL flys to LAX and is currently being flown by ATI crews because NAC does not have ETOPS certification.
The 4th 767 will be based in HNL and fly SEA-LAX. (ATI already flying the route for us )
We are close to getting ETOPS, would have been done months ago but the FAA has refused to travel so makes things difficult to get training and certifications done. Apparently they have promised to support us in Jan/Feb.
Current classes and future classes on 767 are all HNL based crews to staff the second 767.
The flying is scheduled routes. just look on FlightAware or Flightradar24 for N379CX, or N351CM or N399CM to see what we fly. The trips are almost all single day trips. In ANC and HNL that is 100%. Out of MIA we were doing a few two day trips, but with covid we turned them all into 1 day trips. So the long trips to SA are all augmented crews.
HNL 737 has day and night trip pairings, but the day stuff goes senior. In ANC it is a mix.
The lower 48 routes, you fly one direction, RON and then back the other way. with days off and reserve days mixed in to rotate the crews that fly on the 17 day trip.
upgrade is about 2 years on 767, but that depends on a lot of things. Company says they want to grow, but doesn't all management always say that?? ANC the upgrade will be a long time. HNL767 and 737 upgrade time will depend on how may senior pilots decide to switch to the 767 after we get ETOPS and they can fly out of HNL. MIA767 upgrade will depend on if they ad another 767 to the base.
can you commute to HNL from east coast, well yes, but I would be thinking why would you? That will get old real fast.
schedules are line bidding, with 13 days off a month.
ANC and HNL 737 lines usually have 4 days of flying and then 3 days off and repeat.
767 lines vary,
paid 1.5x for any trips picked up on days off
min guarantee is 65pch,
any other questions ask and I will try to answer
Northern Air Cargo and Aloha Air Cargo are one pilot group. The parent Company has 2 certificates, for business reasons they have decided to keep both, at least for now. Maybe they merger the two groups in the future but doesn't really matter much because we have one Contract and one seniority list.
What does matter is what Company you get hired at, because currently each is doing their own hiring and you will have a two year seat lock before you can bid off the aircraft you are on. The 767 is on the NAC certificate, so if you want to fly the 767 you need to apply at NAC. If you want to fly the 737 and be based in HNL you need to apply at Aloha. If you want to fly the 737 in ANC, apply at NAC.
Both companies have vacancies, Aloha just opened the window for new apps, NAC is still working their pile of existing ones. But that might change soon. There are a few vacancies to fill in 737ANC.
There are also some 767 vacancies , but they are still pulling from the pile of resumes they have.
Both companies have 737 flying in the Lower 48.
Aloha has a 2 year contract for the USPS flying ONT-GSO
NAC has a 2 year contract for USPS flying SLC-EWR
If you get hired for the 737 for either company you will likely be only able to hold one of those lines because they are not popular with the local pilots. For ANC those lines go to the junior pilots. For HNL the junior CAs get them and they are not going junior for FOs, seems like some FOs in HNL like them.
These lines are 17 day trips out of your base. So day 1 is DH, then 15 days of a mix of flight days and reserve days, and DH back to domicile. That is why they are not popular, you are gone 17 days. and it is possible to get back to back trips, but you could also get back to back days off and have 26 days off in a row.
Aloha just opened their window. Currently the NAC window is closed, but that might change early next year.
We have 8, 737-300s, rumor is a 9th coming. 2 flying the lower 48 routes, 3 in HNL , 2 in ANC , 1 spare.
Currently have 4, 767-300s. Two based in MIA, one in HNL and one being delivered in Feb.
The 767s in MIA fly to South America, SJU, KIN and do charters when they come up.
The 767 in HNL flys to LAX and is currently being flown by ATI crews because NAC does not have ETOPS certification.
The 4th 767 will be based in HNL and fly SEA-LAX. (ATI already flying the route for us )
We are close to getting ETOPS, would have been done months ago but the FAA has refused to travel so makes things difficult to get training and certifications done. Apparently they have promised to support us in Jan/Feb.
Current classes and future classes on 767 are all HNL based crews to staff the second 767.
The flying is scheduled routes. just look on FlightAware or Flightradar24 for N379CX, or N351CM or N399CM to see what we fly. The trips are almost all single day trips. In ANC and HNL that is 100%. Out of MIA we were doing a few two day trips, but with covid we turned them all into 1 day trips. So the long trips to SA are all augmented crews.
HNL 737 has day and night trip pairings, but the day stuff goes senior. In ANC it is a mix.
The lower 48 routes, you fly one direction, RON and then back the other way. with days off and reserve days mixed in to rotate the crews that fly on the 17 day trip.
upgrade is about 2 years on 767, but that depends on a lot of things. Company says they want to grow, but doesn't all management always say that?? ANC the upgrade will be a long time. HNL767 and 737 upgrade time will depend on how may senior pilots decide to switch to the 767 after we get ETOPS and they can fly out of HNL. MIA767 upgrade will depend on if they ad another 767 to the base.
can you commute to HNL from east coast, well yes, but I would be thinking why would you? That will get old real fast.
schedules are line bidding, with 13 days off a month.
ANC and HNL 737 lines usually have 4 days of flying and then 3 days off and repeat.
767 lines vary,
paid 1.5x for any trips picked up on days off
min guarantee is 65pch,
any other questions ask and I will try to answer
12-25-2020, 09:04 PM
#304
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Position: Boeing CA
Posts: 66
Originally Posted by tikicarver
here are the facts, no rumors, yes I work at NAC/AAC
Northern Air Cargo and Aloha Air Cargo are one pilot group. The parent Company has 2 certificates, for business reasons they have decided to keep both, at least for now. Maybe they merger the two groups in the future but doesn't really matter much because we have one Contract and one seniority list.
What does matter is what Company you get hired at, because currently each is doing their own hiring and you will have a two year seat lock before you can bid off the aircraft you are on. The 767 is on the NAC certificate, so if you want to fly the 767 you need to apply at NAC. If you want to fly the 737 and be based in HNL you need to apply at Aloha. If you want to fly the 737 in ANC, apply at NAC.
Both companies have vacancies, Aloha just opened the window for new apps, NAC is still working their pile of existing ones. But that might change soon. There are a few vacancies to fill in 737ANC.
There are also some 767 vacancies , but they are still pulling from the pile of resumes they have.
Both companies have 737 flying in the Lower 48.
Aloha has a 2 year contract for the USPS flying ONT-GSO
NAC has a 2 year contract for USPS flying SLC-EWR
If you get hired for the 737 for either company you will likely be only able to hold one of those lines because they are not popular with the local pilots. For ANC those lines go to the junior pilots. For HNL the junior CAs get them and they are not going junior for FOs, seems like some FOs in HNL like them.
These lines are 17 day trips out of your base. So day 1 is DH, then 15 days of a mix of flight days and reserve days, and DH back to domicile. That is why they are not popular, you are gone 17 days. and it is possible to get back to back trips, but you could also get back to back days off and have 26 days off in a row.
Aloha just opened their window. Currently the NAC window is closed, but that might change early next year.
We have 8, 737-300s, rumor is a 9th coming. 2 flying the lower 48 routes, 3 in HNL , 2 in ANC , 1 spare.
Currently have 4, 767-300s. Two based in MIA, one in HNL and one being delivered in Feb.
The 767s in MIA fly to South America, SJU, KIN and do charters when they come up.
The 767 in HNL flys to LAX and is currently being flown by ATI crews because NAC does not have ETOPS certification.
The 4th 767 will be based in HNL and fly SEA-LAX. (ATI already flying the route for us )
We are close to getting ETOPS, would have been done months ago but the FAA has refused to travel so makes things difficult to get training and certifications done. Apparently they have promised to support us in Jan/Feb.
Current classes and future classes on 767 are all HNL based crews to staff the second 767.
The flying is scheduled routes. just look on FlightAware or Flightradar24 for N379CX, or N351CM or N399CM to see what we fly. The trips are almost all single day trips. In ANC and HNL that is 100%. Out of MIA we were doing a few two day trips, but with covid we turned them all into 1 day trips. So the long trips to SA are all augmented crews.
HNL 737 has day and night trip pairings, but the day stuff goes senior. In ANC it is a mix.
The lower 48 routes, you fly one direction, RON and then back the other way. with days off and reserve days mixed in to rotate the crews that fly on the 17 day trip.
upgrade is about 2 years on 767, but that depends on a lot of things. Company says they want to grow, but doesn't all management always say that?? ANC the upgrade will be a long time. HNL767 and 737 upgrade time will depend on how may senior pilots decide to switch to the 767 after we get ETOPS and they can fly out of HNL. MIA767 upgrade will depend on if they ad another 767 to the base.
can you commute to HNL from east coast, well yes, but I would be thinking why would you? That will get old real fast.
schedules are line bidding, with 13 days off a month.
ANC and HNL 737 lines usually have 4 days of flying and then 3 days off and repeat.
767 lines vary,
paid 1.5x for any trips picked up on days off
min guarantee is 65pch,
any other questions ask and I will try to answer
Northern Air Cargo and Aloha Air Cargo are one pilot group. The parent Company has 2 certificates, for business reasons they have decided to keep both, at least for now. Maybe they merger the two groups in the future but doesn't really matter much because we have one Contract and one seniority list.
What does matter is what Company you get hired at, because currently each is doing their own hiring and you will have a two year seat lock before you can bid off the aircraft you are on. The 767 is on the NAC certificate, so if you want to fly the 767 you need to apply at NAC. If you want to fly the 737 and be based in HNL you need to apply at Aloha. If you want to fly the 737 in ANC, apply at NAC.
Both companies have vacancies, Aloha just opened the window for new apps, NAC is still working their pile of existing ones. But that might change soon. There are a few vacancies to fill in 737ANC.
There are also some 767 vacancies , but they are still pulling from the pile of resumes they have.
Both companies have 737 flying in the Lower 48.
Aloha has a 2 year contract for the USPS flying ONT-GSO
NAC has a 2 year contract for USPS flying SLC-EWR
If you get hired for the 737 for either company you will likely be only able to hold one of those lines because they are not popular with the local pilots. For ANC those lines go to the junior pilots. For HNL the junior CAs get them and they are not going junior for FOs, seems like some FOs in HNL like them.
These lines are 17 day trips out of your base. So day 1 is DH, then 15 days of a mix of flight days and reserve days, and DH back to domicile. That is why they are not popular, you are gone 17 days. and it is possible to get back to back trips, but you could also get back to back days off and have 26 days off in a row.
Aloha just opened their window. Currently the NAC window is closed, but that might change early next year.
We have 8, 737-300s, rumor is a 9th coming. 2 flying the lower 48 routes, 3 in HNL , 2 in ANC , 1 spare.
Currently have 4, 767-300s. Two based in MIA, one in HNL and one being delivered in Feb.
The 767s in MIA fly to South America, SJU, KIN and do charters when they come up.
The 767 in HNL flys to LAX and is currently being flown by ATI crews because NAC does not have ETOPS certification.
The 4th 767 will be based in HNL and fly SEA-LAX. (ATI already flying the route for us )
We are close to getting ETOPS, would have been done months ago but the FAA has refused to travel so makes things difficult to get training and certifications done. Apparently they have promised to support us in Jan/Feb.
Current classes and future classes on 767 are all HNL based crews to staff the second 767.
The flying is scheduled routes. just look on FlightAware or Flightradar24 for N379CX, or N351CM or N399CM to see what we fly. The trips are almost all single day trips. In ANC and HNL that is 100%. Out of MIA we were doing a few two day trips, but with covid we turned them all into 1 day trips. So the long trips to SA are all augmented crews.
HNL 737 has day and night trip pairings, but the day stuff goes senior. In ANC it is a mix.
The lower 48 routes, you fly one direction, RON and then back the other way. with days off and reserve days mixed in to rotate the crews that fly on the 17 day trip.
upgrade is about 2 years on 767, but that depends on a lot of things. Company says they want to grow, but doesn't all management always say that?? ANC the upgrade will be a long time. HNL767 and 737 upgrade time will depend on how may senior pilots decide to switch to the 767 after we get ETOPS and they can fly out of HNL. MIA767 upgrade will depend on if they ad another 767 to the base.
can you commute to HNL from east coast, well yes, but I would be thinking why would you? That will get old real fast.
schedules are line bidding, with 13 days off a month.
ANC and HNL 737 lines usually have 4 days of flying and then 3 days off and repeat.
767 lines vary,
paid 1.5x for any trips picked up on days off
min guarantee is 65pch,
any other questions ask and I will try to answer
12-28-2020, 06:22 AM
#308
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Joined APC: Jan 2016
Posts: 529
Originally Posted by tikicarver
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ANC and HNL 737 lines usually have 4 days of flying and then 3 days off and repeat.
767 lines vary,
paid 1.5x for any trips picked up on days off
min guarantee is 65pch,
any other questions ask and I will try to answer
ANC and HNL 737 lines usually have 4 days of flying and then 3 days off and repeat.
767 lines vary,
paid 1.5x for any trips picked up on days off
min guarantee is 65pch,
any other questions ask and I will try to answer
12-28-2020, 08:18 AM
#309
On Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2014
Posts: 14
Originally Posted by tikicarver
here are the facts, no rumors, yes I work at NAC/AAC
Northern Air Cargo and Aloha Air Cargo are one pilot group. The parent Company has 2 certificates, for business reasons they have decided to keep both, at least for now. Maybe they merger the two groups in the future but doesn't really matter much because we have one Contract and one seniority list.
What does matter is what Company you get hired at, because currently each is doing their own hiring and you will have a two year seat lock before you can bid off the aircraft you are on. The 767 is on the NAC certificate, so if you want to fly the 767 you need to apply at NAC. If you want to fly the 737 and be based in HNL you need to apply at Aloha. If you want to fly the 737 in ANC, apply at NAC.
Both companies have vacancies, Aloha just opened the window for new apps, NAC is still working their pile of existing ones. But that might change soon. There are a few vacancies to fill in 737ANC.
There are also some 767 vacancies , but they are still pulling from the pile of resumes they have.
Both companies have 737 flying in the Lower 48.
Aloha has a 2 year contract for the USPS flying ONT-GSO
NAC has a 2 year contract for USPS flying SLC-EWR
If you get hired for the 737 for either company you will likely be only able to hold one of those lines because they are not popular with the local pilots. For ANC those lines go to the junior pilots. For HNL the junior CAs get them and they are not going junior for FOs, seems like some FOs in HNL like them.
These lines are 17 day trips out of your base. So day 1 is DH, then 15 days of a mix of flight days and reserve days, and DH back to domicile. That is why they are not popular, you are gone 17 days. and it is possible to get back to back trips, but you could also get back to back days off and have 26 days off in a row.
Aloha just opened their window. Currently the NAC window is closed, but that might change early next year.
We have 8, 737-300s, rumor is a 9th coming. 2 flying the lower 48 routes, 3 in HNL , 2 in ANC , 1 spare.
Currently have 4, 767-300s. Two based in MIA, one in HNL and one being delivered in Feb.
The 767s in MIA fly to South America, SJU, KIN and do charters when they come up.
The 767 in HNL flys to LAX and is currently being flown by ATI crews because NAC does not have ETOPS certification.
The 4th 767 will be based in HNL and fly SEA-LAX. (ATI already flying the route for us )
We are close to getting ETOPS, would have been done months ago but the FAA has refused to travel so makes things difficult to get training and certifications done. Apparently they have promised to support us in Jan/Feb.
Current classes and future classes on 767 are all HNL based crews to staff the second 767.
The flying is scheduled routes. just look on FlightAware or Flightradar24 for N379CX, or N351CM or N399CM to see what we fly. The trips are almost all single day trips. In ANC and HNL that is 100%. Out of MIA we were doing a few two day trips, but with covid we turned them all into 1 day trips. So the long trips to SA are all augmented crews.
HNL 737 has day and night trip pairings, but the day stuff goes senior. In ANC it is a mix.
The lower 48 routes, you fly one direction, RON and then back the other way. with days off and reserve days mixed in to rotate the crews that fly on the 17 day trip.
upgrade is about 2 years on 767, but that depends on a lot of things. Company says they want to grow, but doesn't all management always say that?? ANC the upgrade will be a long time. HNL767 and 737 upgrade time will depend on how may senior pilots decide to switch to the 767 after we get ETOPS and they can fly out of HNL. MIA767 upgrade will depend on if they ad another 767 to the base.
can you commute to HNL from east coast, well yes, but I would be thinking why would you? That will get old real fast.
schedules are line bidding, with 13 days off a month.
ANC and HNL 737 lines usually have 4 days of flying and then 3 days off and repeat.
767 lines vary,
paid 1.5x for any trips picked up on days off
min guarantee is 65pch,
any other questions ask and I will try to answer
Northern Air Cargo and Aloha Air Cargo are one pilot group. The parent Company has 2 certificates, for business reasons they have decided to keep both, at least for now. Maybe they merger the two groups in the future but doesn't really matter much because we have one Contract and one seniority list.
What does matter is what Company you get hired at, because currently each is doing their own hiring and you will have a two year seat lock before you can bid off the aircraft you are on. The 767 is on the NAC certificate, so if you want to fly the 767 you need to apply at NAC. If you want to fly the 737 and be based in HNL you need to apply at Aloha. If you want to fly the 737 in ANC, apply at NAC.
Both companies have vacancies, Aloha just opened the window for new apps, NAC is still working their pile of existing ones. But that might change soon. There are a few vacancies to fill in 737ANC.
There are also some 767 vacancies , but they are still pulling from the pile of resumes they have.
Both companies have 737 flying in the Lower 48.
Aloha has a 2 year contract for the USPS flying ONT-GSO
NAC has a 2 year contract for USPS flying SLC-EWR
If you get hired for the 737 for either company you will likely be only able to hold one of those lines because they are not popular with the local pilots. For ANC those lines go to the junior pilots. For HNL the junior CAs get them and they are not going junior for FOs, seems like some FOs in HNL like them.
These lines are 17 day trips out of your base. So day 1 is DH, then 15 days of a mix of flight days and reserve days, and DH back to domicile. That is why they are not popular, you are gone 17 days. and it is possible to get back to back trips, but you could also get back to back days off and have 26 days off in a row.
Aloha just opened their window. Currently the NAC window is closed, but that might change early next year.
We have 8, 737-300s, rumor is a 9th coming. 2 flying the lower 48 routes, 3 in HNL , 2 in ANC , 1 spare.
Currently have 4, 767-300s. Two based in MIA, one in HNL and one being delivered in Feb.
The 767s in MIA fly to South America, SJU, KIN and do charters when they come up.
The 767 in HNL flys to LAX and is currently being flown by ATI crews because NAC does not have ETOPS certification.
The 4th 767 will be based in HNL and fly SEA-LAX. (ATI already flying the route for us )
We are close to getting ETOPS, would have been done months ago but the FAA has refused to travel so makes things difficult to get training and certifications done. Apparently they have promised to support us in Jan/Feb.
Current classes and future classes on 767 are all HNL based crews to staff the second 767.
The flying is scheduled routes. just look on FlightAware or Flightradar24 for N379CX, or N351CM or N399CM to see what we fly. The trips are almost all single day trips. In ANC and HNL that is 100%. Out of MIA we were doing a few two day trips, but with covid we turned them all into 1 day trips. So the long trips to SA are all augmented crews.
HNL 737 has day and night trip pairings, but the day stuff goes senior. In ANC it is a mix.
The lower 48 routes, you fly one direction, RON and then back the other way. with days off and reserve days mixed in to rotate the crews that fly on the 17 day trip.
upgrade is about 2 years on 767, but that depends on a lot of things. Company says they want to grow, but doesn't all management always say that?? ANC the upgrade will be a long time. HNL767 and 737 upgrade time will depend on how may senior pilots decide to switch to the 767 after we get ETOPS and they can fly out of HNL. MIA767 upgrade will depend on if they ad another 767 to the base.
can you commute to HNL from east coast, well yes, but I would be thinking why would you? That will get old real fast.
schedules are line bidding, with 13 days off a month.
ANC and HNL 737 lines usually have 4 days of flying and then 3 days off and repeat.
767 lines vary,
paid 1.5x for any trips picked up on days off
min guarantee is 65pch,
any other questions ask and I will try to answer
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