Time will tell

Sounds like your training program just bit you.

That’s one theory.

Would somebody provide an update on NACs hiring for the 767. A couple questions I have....

When is the 767 class scheduled for? Before or after the New Year?
If you get 767 base in Miami, do they put you up in a hotel while at Boeing training in Miami?
How many hours a month are guys flying and/or crediting?
Do they have a seatlock if you want to switch to the 737 or if you get assigned the 737 in Hawaii can you bid 767?
Line bidding or PBS?
How easy is it to drop or pickup flying?
How often are you staying in hotels?
Why do guys leave? Schedule, QOL?
Where do they leave to?

Thanks for any info you guys may be able to provide. Trying to gather more info before applying. Read through the last 15 pages of the forum and if there is any additional details you guys can think of I would appreciate it.

When is the 767 class scheduled for? Before or after the New Year?

They told us they have a new hire class for 767 plan for 2 pilots in Dec and 4 in Jan. However, no one has heard if anyone has actually interviewed or been hired. currently there is vacancy of 8 FOs in MIA


If you get 767 base in Miami, do they put you up in a hotel while at Boeing training in Miami?
NAC is only planning to hire for the 767 and MIA is the only 767 base right now. So if you get hired you will be based in MIA. Hotel is paid for until you finish IOE. Training is done at Boeing.

How many hours a month are guys flying and/or crediting?
line are built to approx 90 hrs.


Do they have a seatlock if you want to switch to the 737 or if you get assigned the 737 in Hawaii can you bid 767?
We have 2 different certificates. The 737s in Hawaii are under their own certificate and currently do their own hiring. That being said, we have one seniority list so if you were hired by HNL you could bid for 767. But since NAC is currently hiring directly for 767 , if that is what you want just apply at NAC.
There is seat lock language in the CBA.

Line bidding or PBS?
line bidding, with SAP

How easy is it to drop or pickup flying?
right now pick up is easy since we are short of pilots. currently they will not let a straight drop but you can trade.

How often are you staying in hotels?
currently we only have 1 trip per week that is an RON
If you live in MIA you will be home after every trip. If you don't, you will need a crash pad.

Why do guys leave? Schedule, QOL?
a few have left in last year. why, everyone has their own reasons

Where do they leave to?
people in Hawaii tend to go to Hawaiian
others , Jet Blue, UPS, American, etc

Thanks for answering those questions

APC shows a min grnte of 65hrs @ 84hr 1st yr FO, is this accurate?

What are upgrade times running if you already have your 1000hrs?

How are the hotels for overnights and training?

What kinda timeframe should I expect to start training if I apply today?

Do I need to reach out to a recruiter?

APC shows a min grnte of 65hrs @ 84hr 1st yr FO, is this accurate?
it is 87 now

What are upgrade times running if you already have your 1000hrs?
you will not upgrade soon, we only have 2 airplanes and there are no CA vacancies. but currently 8 FO vacancies

How are the hotels for overnights and training?
very good, stay at Marriott Residence Inn , Doral for training. you get to keep all your Marriott points

What kinda timeframe should I expect to start training if I apply today?
if you apply today, first you need to get hired.then worry about when you start. IMHO they need to start training pilots yesterday, and no word if they have hired anyone but we did hear some have interviewed. if you get interview just ask that question.

Do I need to reach out to a recruiter
can't hurt

we heard some pilots have been interviewed and 1 guy i know got a call and was told TBNT. He was told they are looking for pilots with wide body time. However I also heard that is not a requirement just prefered, IMHO if you live in MIA, they would like that.

Is it NAC who’s currently advertising for B-737, HNL based Captains?

Thanks

Aloha Air Cargo wouldn’t be advertising for direct entry 737 captains. That would most likely be Transair. Be very careful with that company.

I no nothing about Transair. Thanks for your response

NAC/Aloha just finished awarding a vacancy bid.

After the awards, there are currently 4 slots open in HNL on 737 for Aloha side of the house.

4 on 737 in ANC and 4 slots for 767 in MIA for the NAC side.

Also 4 new hires started 767 training on Jan 7

We were told a new hiring procedure is being developed.

I was wondering if anyone could help me find some contact info for a recruiter or should I just stop in the office next time I’m in ANC?

A vacancy bid just closed in the ANC 737 base with 4 slots for FOs. They all went unfilled.
So Company will be interviewing to hire 4 new-hires.
If you live in ANC or want to move there, now is the time to get hired.

seems the 737s stay in Alaska exclusively ?
the 767's out of MIA do a lot of Caribbean flying - are there any flights they do that goes unusual places or up to AK from Florida ?

the 737s have done other flying in the past and management has said they are looking for opportunities.
for example, they sent a 737 down to MAI for peak season in Dec
in the past they would send one to Larado to do ad-hoc flying.
if you are looking for that, then don't come to NAC, go work Netjets or some palce like that, you will go to different place every week.
you want to fly 737 in Alaska, NAC is your place.

there are currently 2 767s based in MIA..MIA is a domicile. just like any other airline domicile we fly scheduled trips out of MIA. South America and Caribbean.

Thanks - scheduled trips to Caribbean and S.America only? Never the chance to fly out west or over to Hawaii or up to AK on the 767?

Do you like it there? Good quality of life and training program?
What is a typical monthly schedule?

Can anyone post some of the 767 schedules or email me please?

you want to know where NAC flys it's 767s ?
Look on FlightAware for N379CX and N351CM

I would like to see what their trips look like 1, 2, 5 day trips? Overnights? Credits?

I’m going to give this thread a bump. A friend sent me a text about applying here and I’m trying to get some opinions outside of his.

How’s QOL and what’s the schedule look like? Is this a (realistically) commutable job from the east coast? Reserve?

I’m at year 7 at my regional, 5 as a captain and I don’t know what’s coming Oct 1 but don’t think it’s good, even for someone who is 30/475 on the list.


Thanks in advance.

We are hiring.
However, I was told the CP only looks at resumes from someone that is recommended by one of our pilots.

I talked to the CP at NAC. The current app window is closed. They got over 200 apps they are going through.
He said it may open again in the near future. I will post if I hear something.

IMHO, I would not expect it to open for at least 6 months, we will have a big training bubble in the next several months to get all the pilots in the latest vacancy bid trained.

Missed the last opening for HNL FO 76 couple months ago. Any plans for Northern to operate any more 76s out of HNL? Hope your all doing well over there.

There's an HNL FO opening on the 767?

I thought they were going to get MIA staffed better before turning to finally bringing-in-house the Aloha-dry-leased, ATI-operated ETOPS HNL 767.

Haven't they brought in an ATI 767-300 to MIA recently to cover MIA business they can't currently-handle, even with lots of hours available in the day when their 2 MIA 767s aren't flying? I assumed that was a crewing issue, not an issue of availability of the metal.

here are the facts, no rumors, yes I work at NAC/AAC

Northern Air Cargo and Aloha Air Cargo are one pilot group. The parent Company has 2 certificates, for business reasons they have decided to keep both, at least for now. Maybe they merger the two groups in the future but doesn't really matter much because we have one Contract and one seniority list.
What does matter is what Company you get hired at, because currently each is doing their own hiring and you will have a two year seat lock before you can bid off the aircraft you are on. The 767 is on the NAC certificate, so if you want to fly the 767 you need to apply at NAC. If you want to fly the 737 and be based in HNL you need to apply at Aloha. If you want to fly the 737 in ANC, apply at NAC.
Both companies have vacancies, Aloha just opened the window for new apps, NAC is still working their pile of existing ones. But that might change soon. There are a few vacancies to fill in 737ANC.
There are also some 767 vacancies , but they are still pulling from the pile of resumes they have.

Both companies have 737 flying in the Lower 48.
Aloha has a 2 year contract for the USPS flying ONT-GSO
NAC has a 2 year contract for USPS flying SLC-EWR

If you get hired for the 737 for either company you will likely be only able to hold one of those lines because they are not popular with the local pilots. For ANC those lines go to the junior pilots. For HNL the junior CAs get them and they are not going junior for FOs, seems like some FOs in HNL like them.
These lines are 17 day trips out of your base. So day 1 is DH, then 15 days of a mix of flight days and reserve days, and DH back to domicile. That is why they are not popular, you are gone 17 days. and it is possible to get back to back trips, but you could also get back to back days off and have 26 days off in a row.

Aloha just opened their window. Currently the NAC window is closed, but that might change early next year.

We have 8, 737-300s, rumor is a 9th coming. 2 flying the lower 48 routes, 3 in HNL , 2 in ANC , 1 spare.
Currently have 4, 767-300s. Two based in MIA, one in HNL and one being delivered in Feb.

The 767s in MIA fly to South America, SJU, KIN and do charters when they come up.
The 767 in HNL flys to LAX and is currently being flown by ATI crews because NAC does not have ETOPS certification.
The 4th 767 will be based in HNL and fly SEA-LAX. (ATI already flying the route for us )

We are close to getting ETOPS, would have been done months ago but the FAA has refused to travel so makes things difficult to get training and certifications done. Apparently they have promised to support us in Jan/Feb.

Current classes and future classes on 767 are all HNL based crews to staff the second 767.

The flying is scheduled routes. just look on FlightAware or Flightradar24 for N379CX, or N351CM or N399CM to see what we fly. The trips are almost all single day trips. In ANC and HNL that is 100%. Out of MIA we were doing a few two day trips, but with covid we turned them all into 1 day trips. So the long trips to SA are all augmented crews.
HNL 737 has day and night trip pairings, but the day stuff goes senior. In ANC it is a mix.
The lower 48 routes, you fly one direction, RON and then back the other way. with days off and reserve days mixed in to rotate the crews that fly on the 17 day trip.

upgrade is about 2 years on 767, but that depends on a lot of things. Company says they want to grow, but doesn't all management always say that?? ANC the upgrade will be a long time. HNL767 and 737 upgrade time will depend on how may senior pilots decide to switch to the 767 after we get ETOPS and they can fly out of HNL. MIA767 upgrade will depend on if they ad another 767 to the base.

can you commute to HNL from east coast, well yes, but I would be thinking why would you? That will get old real fast.

schedules are line bidding, with 13 days off a month.
ANC and HNL 737 lines usually have 4 days of flying and then 3 days off and repeat.
767 lines vary,
paid 1.5x for any trips picked up on days off
min guarantee is 65pch,

any other questions ask and I will try to answer

what kind of catering do you guys get in the 767. Any catering in the 737?

Tikicarver, thanks for taking the time with the update!

Bob Appetite

Where is that Snack Basket Auditor, BobbyLeeSwagger, when you need him?

what's the average reserve/line holder crediting above guarantee? Any other pay incentives / bonuses?

Great info thanks much!

I applied in July. Shows no actions. No TBNT. Reapply?

schedules like?
 

Can I know, what all are the schedules like????

Thank you for the great info. Cheers.

Northern got another 767-300 yesterday, fresh from conversion. I think this one is to go to Aloha. For now, it has moved to SBD after spending a little time at ILN.

Is that the 5th 767 sweeeet? Up to 15 aircraft and flying some some pretty nice runs based on earlier information. Keep going, keep growing, kill it while we all can, that’s good news!

That's the 4th one that was described above as coming in February. It's the one that is expected to go to Aloha. It is currently in SBD for something. Usually, this lessor paints its planes at Dean Baldwin in ROW, GYR or GUS, or at Landlocked in CWF. So probably not in SBD for paint, but one never knows. There is a paint contractor at SBD. The aircraft is already on the Northern certificate, so they can in theory do what they want with it. I guess we'll see what happens to it in a couple of days. Presumably, an aircraft is needed to certify ETOPS, so maybe that's the plan right now for it, before painting. N321CM is the tail number.

Awesome, good info. We supposedly just acquired 2 more 76’s as well, BUT those are under the Leasing Division and headed/contracted to another party we already within our customer base if not I’m mistaken. Growth is growth, but not all things are created equal by any means. Good for y'all