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Sasquatch 03-20-2006 01:21 PM

what's w. the quick NMB meeting IPAers
 
Quick question, why did the NMB call you back for a meeting but no scheduled negotiations? What I heard was that you were placed on hold until your demands came down, and with all the commotion going on about your chairman flying on a struck airline out to Hawaii; he gave in in order to get this meeting. details?

Browntail 03-20-2006 03:02 PM

I guess that brings our "demands" down closer to yours!

Sasquatch 03-20-2006 03:37 PM

I'll trade you industry topping pay for quality of life and a good work environment any day, BrownTail.

RedeyeAV8r 03-20-2006 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by Browntail
I guess that brings our "demands" down closer to yours!

[QUOTE=Sasquatch] I'll trade you industry topping pay for quality of life and a good work environment any day, BrownTail.[/QOUTE]

Come on boys.............This bickering of "Mine is Bigger than yours" produces nothing.................

Bottom line is that UPS Pilots know what issues are important to them and FDX guys know what we want.........................

Ultimately we both want good contracts we can live with and I for one hope UPS guys get the best deal they can.

Lighten Up on each other Gents!:cool:

Pilot7576 03-20-2006 04:30 PM

negotiations
 
Sasquatch...

Please tell us all where you heard this information. Hope it was a better source than one of the van drivers or the fedex pilot who came to our meeting telling us that commercial tickets were more important than scope.

If you have anything of value to add, please do so. In the absence of that, please keep your posts germane to what you know, not what you think you might have heard.

JMO

Pilot7576

EDPM 03-20-2006 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by Sasquatch
What I heard was that you were placed on hold until your demands came down, and with all the commotion going on about your chairman flying on a struck airline out to Hawaii; he gave in in order to get this meeting. details?

Do you honestly believe this?

EDPM

Sasquatch 03-20-2006 05:27 PM

7576 and EdPM, my source is in your committee structure, a friend of a friend of a friend. I brought this up for discussion because I found it so fascinating. Instead of attacking me, the messenger, let's talk about what is really happening.

Did your Chairman fly on Northwest Airlines, the same airline he forbade UPS to book crewmembers on, or not? Thank you gents.

brownwhalerider 03-20-2006 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by Pilot7576
Sasquatch...

Please tell us all where you heard this information. Hope it was a better source than one of the van drivers or the fedex pilot who came to our meeting telling us that commercial tickets were more important than scope.

If you have anything of value to add, please do so. In the absence of that, please keep your posts germane to what you know, not what you think you might have heard.

JMO

Pilot7576


How many people do you know at Brown that are related or married to (or soon to be) people at Fedex.....Not too hard to figure out where it came from.

EDPM 03-20-2006 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by Sasquatch
...my source is...a friend of a friend of a friend.

Squatch...if I told you I heard anything from "a friend of a friend of a friend," would you give much credibility to what I had to say?

Ever play "telephone" when you were a kid?

EDPM

Pilot7576 03-20-2006 06:28 PM

friend of a friend of a friend
 
Sasquatch....

Just as I thought....absent a name, your assertion lacks credibility. I, too, can make up anything and report that I heard it from unimpeachable sources. Just saying that doesn't make it so. Put up or shut up.

JMO

Pilot7576

FR8Hauler 03-20-2006 06:56 PM

Just tell your IPA president not to do us any more favors by telling the World what is going on in our negotiations. Especially when he has not talked to our ALPA negotiating committee first. He made himself look like a complete bufoon along with the fact that it was a stupid thing to do....

Sasquatch 03-20-2006 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by Pilot7576
Sasquatch....

Just as I thought....absent a name, your assertion lacks credibility. I, too, can make up anything and report that I heard it from unimpeachable sources. Just saying that doesn't make it so. Put up or shut up.

JMO

Pilot7576

OK, I'll shut up. But it doesn't change the fact that you're in denial. Good luck in getting a contract.

BIGBROWNDC8 03-20-2006 09:25 PM

FR8Hauler,
How do you know what the state of neg are for you all. Do you think your MEC is going to tell you all that everything is going great? Ill b et they will try to convince the pilot group that the sky is falling right up until the TA is submitted to the group. Come on, is this your first day at this???

Oh, buy the way, the way I figure it, if what our Pres said is not true, its justifiable payback for the crappy "openers" that ALPA came out with regarding compensation that really screwed us about two to three months ago... Remember that, Oh-thats right, Forgot about screwing the IPA on that one didnt you. We'', we didnt... 8% pay raise... Nice job on that...

Sasquatch,
Tell your source to shut the **** up. Dealing with our issues will be handled in house, just as they should be... Tell her that her guy lost the election and to get over it... I use to have respect for her, but lately, I have none...

BBDC8

Nashmd11 03-20-2006 09:30 PM


Originally Posted by Sasquatch
I'll trade you industry topping pay for quality of life and a good work environment any day, BrownTail.

Perfect Answer. And so True. Who gives a **** about 10 dollars more an hour when your Deadheading around the world on the Floor of a 76. Or Deadheading for up to 18 hours. Or sleeping at the Sort on a lazy boy with 100 other guys snoring next to you.

FDX has the Quality of life and Pay. UPS has forced overtime at straight pay. Any other questions BrownTail?

Diesel 10 03-20-2006 09:37 PM

Quality of Life is where it's at
 

Originally Posted by Nashmd11
Perfect Answer. And so True. Who gives a **** about 10 dollars more an hour when your Deadheading around the world on the Floor of a 76. Or Deadheading for up to 18 hours. Or sleeping at the Sort on a lazy boy with 100 other guys snoring next to you.

FDX has the Quality of life and Pay. UPS has forced overtime at straight pay. Any other questions BrownTail?

accurate on all counts, Nash. Quality of life is numero uno here.

Airbum 03-21-2006 03:02 AM

I personally don't know the reason for the NMB meeting but feel that it is apparently 5 1/2 months after the last one. So to me it doesnt appear to be rushed. My understanding is that the teamster contract is up in the summer of 07 and UPS will want the IPA contract finished by then. Just a guess on my part.

If our groups are after different objectives well so be it. Lets not beat each other up, get enough of that already. I wish the best to Fed Ex and want you guys to get a great contract in all areas.

Airbum

FR8Hauler 03-21-2006 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by BIGBROWNDC8
FR8Hauler,
How do you know what the state of neg are for you all. Do you think your MEC is going to tell you all that everything is going great? Ill b et they will try to convince the pilot group that the sky is falling right up until the TA is submitted to the group. Come on, is this your first day at this???

Oh, buy the way, the way I figure it, if what our Pres said is not true, its justifiable payback for the crappy "openers" that ALPA came out with regarding compensation that really screwed us about two to three months ago... Remember that, Oh-thats right, Forgot about screwing the IPA on that one didnt you. We'', we didnt... 8% pay raise... Nice job on that...

Sasquatch,
Tell your source to shut the **** up. Dealing with our issues will be handled in house, just as they should be... Tell her that her guy lost the election and to get over it... I use to have respect for her, but lately, I have none...

BBDC8

Since our negotiating Committee had not even met with the company for over a week when your IPA president made his big announcement that we were getting a deal any day, I think it is highly unlikely. Our chief pilot (management) had misspoke and told the press that he thought a contract was around the corner. He sent out a letter retracting it. We went through all the same things when we had a "one horse" in house union too. Believe me, I wish it were true... And NashMD11 hit the nail on the head in his statement above.

RedeyeAV8r 03-21-2006 07:44 AM

STOP the Madness
 
Gents
This back and forth "He said, She said" between FDX and UPS pilots is getting old...........and it is pointless.

MGT loves to spread rumors to get groups into little squabbles.
They love for you to take the eye off the ball. ya know, "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."

True Capt Nicholson might have said something that was not completely accurate, but FDX's own System Chief Pilot said we are close..........do you believe him? The commercial appeal said we were close.........Do you believe them?

What is the point of FDX and UPS guys squabbling? Who will win that fight?

MGT (both UPS and FDX) will exploit this little infighting and again what do we have to gain from it............ so lets just cut out the MY Union is better than yours or the We are doing better than you crap............It serves no purpose.

Don't all of us FDX pilots want UPS pilots to negotiate a great contract?
Don't all the UPS pilots want FDX pilots to get a great contract?

Stop the madness!

767pilot 03-21-2006 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by Sasquatch
Did your Chairman fly on Northwest Airlines, the same airline he forbade UPS to book crewmembers on, or not? Thank you gents.

True statement. He did say he was sorry though <NG>


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