Jetjok

I'm trying to reserve comment until I understand the whole issue. So again, if someone knows the numbers I'd asked for, please provide them, so that I can understand the scope of this issue. Thanks.

JJ

Gunter

I hear the catering committee is working on putting cans of Ensure in the 777 coolers.

Jetjok

Thanks Gunter, another good piece of information for the puzzle.

MD11Fr8Dog

Yep, also saving money by not installing lavs, since all the crewmembers will already be wearing Depends! They'll be loading these with those coolers!

W0XOFF

I got the feeling that this is a generational misunderstanding.

I also got the feeling most of you young sprouts lack empathy.

I can't vouch for it, but I would be willing to bet my sizable retirement that there were a couple of reasons those guys were 'sitting sideways' . . and it has NOTHING to do with what you think it might be.

Remember the old 'saw' about 'walking a mile in someone's shoes'?

#1) Some of these people never developed a life outside of flying and the 'feeling' and camaraderie it gave them to drag their old butt to the airport was the only thing that lent meaning to life. Without coming to work, life held little meaning for them.

#2) My guess is that MOST of these folks were just 'treading water' -because they felt that Congress would let them stick it out to 65 and the only way to be assured of doing that was to 'stay employed'. For a lot, NOW is the big payoff and if I had been taking all the abuse and name calling I don't think I would give a rat's patoot what all the 'abusers' thought.

Gunter

This website is full of anti-over 60 posters. I'm not one of those guys.

I like to tease Jetjok, but I think you guys all deserve to stick around. You are right, we are not in your shoes. But you are not in ours and you sound equally, if not more, insensitive. But it depends on who your audience is. The under 30 crowd or the 35-45 year old crowd. The fact is you have gained a significant windfall at the expense of a very large majority of the working pilots out there.

If you ask me, the law should have been changed years ago. In recent history, it could have changed shortly after the EU starting flying over 60 types in our airspace. It was inevitable after that. No one could have stopped it, only delayed it.

iarapilot

IARAPILOT,
Another figment of your imagination is recommending that we all take the 777 off of our standing did. You charge through like it could ever happen. Heck, I'll go a step further. . . nobody bid anything except their current seat. That will make them go, huh? I shudder to think what if 4,678 pilots were in charge. I don't think that the company offer is optimum, but I'm going to do what I have been instructed to do all of my career - "Bid what you want to fly!" Have you heard this from anyone before?


Are you going to tell me I can't follow my dream? Are you going to apologize to me when I could have held the seat back in 2008 but can't in 2011? What happens if it takes until retirement to recognize that I missed my window to progress because of bad union advice? If I follow the ALPA sheep and miss out on my life's opportunity who can I blame, you?

Figment of my imagination? Well, if you say so. My point is that if the Company doesnt see that we will band together on this, they have no incentive to give us anything. That is true. So, if everyone removes it from their bid, at least until a day before the bid closes, they will see that these actions might be caused by their unwillingness to negotiate. Possibly true again. The end result might be that they will give it a higher pay rate. Pretty conceptual idea; do you understand it? Or is that to imaginative, "figmentally" speaking? Being a realist though, it is a figment of my imagination to assume you, and others that fly DP's etc. etc. would be able to grasp that point. Joke is on me, eh?

Yea, I have heard the phrase bid what you want to fly. What is your point? I have heard many phrases before. Doesnt mean I will follow them.

It is nice to be able to follow your dream, but at what expense? And, at the moment, I cant see a situation where I would be apologizing to you for anything. Cause and effect is a conceptual idea. But first you have to understand the concept.

As for the ALPA sheep comment, IMO opinion the sheep are the ones that follow our leaders recommendations without critical thinking used to analyze what we are being told.

So, follow your dream, if you must.

AerisArmis

Sarcasm noted, but the fact remains, you (and FH) don't give one husky foxtrot about anybody other than yourselves (never have , never will) but are appalled when somebody dares to say anything about the geriatric group. Here's the deal amigo, you would put the bottom guys on the street, family and all, to protect your inflated lifestyle, and they would , had they had a union president that gave a cr@p about the membership, have opted to keep you PR.one.k's exactly where you belong! So...here's a number for you requested .....ziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiipah. Naturally, we should never discount the possibility that I could be wrong.

AerisArmis

Gunter, take a shower for crying out loud, and..buy a backbone. JJ, FH and their crowd would gladly see you on the street with a cardboard sign before they would give up a single thing. JJ and FH aren't bad guys, just looking out for themselves......but if you want to play nice because you think that they will give up one single buffalo nickle for you............then step up to the Kool Aid jug a have shot.

DaRaiders

Unless, of course, the 777 bid comes out in conjunction with another excess bid. Do we expect others to lose their widebody seat instead of bidding ANY widebody seat the can hold(including the 777)?