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Old 11-13-2008, 10:54 PM
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Air France Sees Significant Traffic Disruption Due To Strike
NOVEMBER 12, 2008

PARIS (Dow Jones)--French airline Air France, which is part of the Air France-KLM company, said Wednesday it expects significant disruption to its flights due to a French pilot strike from midnight November 14 to midnight November 18.

Air France expects to cancel around 50% of its long-haul and medium-haul flights, a spokesman told Dow Jones Newswires, adding that disruption to long-haul flights may continue for longer.

Pilots in France are striking against a plan to increase the retirement age for pilots and cabin crew to 65 from 60 at present.

Company Web site: www.airfrance.com

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PARIS (Dow JonesPilots in France are striking against a plan to increase the retirement age for pilots and cabin crew to 65 from 60 at present.
We still might have a chance. Or normal retirement age, without penalty is still 60, but....future contracts?
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Pilots in France are striking against a plan to increase the retirement age for pilots and cabin crew to 65 from 60 at present.

Company Web site: www.airfrance.com
How ironic, I am now thinking those French guys might not be so bad......

Pretty sad that we should be following them........... what happened to us?
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I wonder if they took a poll of their membership and then decided to, "do the right thing?"

I wonder if they had a train that was leaving the station but they decided it was best just to not get on it?

I wonder if their MEC chairman was influenced by his aging buds, and was promised who knows what future executive position from Air France management?

Kind of makes you go hmmmmmm ....... ??????
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I wonder if they took a poll of their membership and then decided to, "do the right thing?"

I wonder if they had a train that was leaving the station but they decided it was best just to not get on it?

I wonder if their MEC chairman was influenced by his aging buds, and was promised who knows what future executive position from Air France management?

Kind of makes you go hmmmmmm ....... ??????
Well, obviously their MEC chairman exclaimed loudly at a meeting prior to the strike - "LET THEM EAT BARBECUE"
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Yeah, you guys missed your chance. You should have struck to ensure congress and the president didn't pass and sign that bill. That would have worked. Let's face it, this pilot group couldn't, and never has agreed on any one thing, at any one time, ever.

Besides the French strike over anything, anywhere, and at any time. Don't like the color of that wall? Let's have a 2 day strike. Can't get your mail delivered 3 or 4 times a day? Let's strike for a week. Unhappy with the highway trucking laws? How about we get every large truck in the entire country to convoy into and around Paris, causing a massive transportation hardship for virtually the entire city.

Yeah, let's strike. Give me a break.
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Yeah, you guys missed your chance. You should have struck to ensure congress and the president didn't pass and sign that bill. That would have worked. Let's face it, this pilot group couldn't, and never has agreed on any one thing, at any one time, ever.

Besides the French strike over anything, anywhere, and at any time. Don't like the color of that wall? Let's have a 2 day strike. Can't get your mail delivered 3 or 4 times a day? Let's strike for a week. Unhappy with the highway trucking laws? How about we get every large truck in the entire country to convoy into and around Paris, causing a massive transportation hardship for virtually the entire city.

Yeah, let's strike. Give me a break.
What it appears they are striking over is maintaining the contractual normal retirement age of 60, opposed to a change to 65. If they or we( those of us with a defined benefit A plan written prior to the ICAO/FAR change) allow the change to occur they/we will not be able to retire with full benefit at age 60. At UPS the penalty for early retirement is 8% per year ( 5years early is a 40% reduction in the annuity pay out) which if this change where to happen would just about garuantee that no one would leave prior to age 65. The dollars lost in compensation are huge if this where to be contractually implemented.
Contractual items are worth striking over.
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Originally Posted by Jetjok View Post
Yeah, you guys missed your chance. You should have struck to ensure congress and the president didn't pass and sign that bill. That would have worked. Let's face it, this pilot group couldn't, and never has agreed on any one thing, at any one time, ever.

Besides the French strike over anything, anywhere, and at any time. Don't like the color of that wall? Let's have a 2 day strike. Can't get your mail delivered 3 or 4 times a day? Let's strike for a week. Unhappy with the highway trucking laws? How about we get every large truck in the entire country to convoy into and around Paris, causing a massive transportation hardship for virtually the entire city.

Yeah, let's strike. Give me a break.

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Sorry I forgot to put my face at the end of my original post. Lighten up, Francis. Of course we wouldn't strike on this. It was half in jest.

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Yeah, you guys missed your chance. You should have struck to ensure congress and the president didn't pass and sign that bill. That would have worked. Let's face it, this pilot group couldn't, and never has agreed on any one thing, at any one time, ever....
Great attitude. Of course, it's a much better strategy to just fold early, bend over, grab your ankles, and wait for the inevitable. God forbid we ever have to use a legal, time-tested negotiating strategy someday.

We can just keep the K-Y in the cooler next to the Raspberry juice instead.

If things got bad enough, your "old school" line of thought would change as fast as the accepted fares.
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