Custom Air Transport/CAT
04-11-2006, 12:24 PM
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umm yeah...if you got cash they will take it. All for you to fly in the right seat or be on the panel.
They are losing the Menlo contract at the end of the year so a good majority of their crews are gonna be on the street
They are losing the Menlo contract at the end of the year so a good majority of their crews are gonna be on the street
04-11-2006, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Thedude
umm yeah...if you got cash they will take it. All for you to fly in the right seat or be on the panel.
They are losing the Menlo contract at the end of the year so a good majority of their crews are gonna be on the street
They are losing the Menlo contract at the end of the year so a good majority of their crews are gonna be on the street
Here's a quick education. Menlo is no longer... UPS logistics purchased Menlo last year. It is UPS's intention to cease operations at KDAY on June 30 of this year. Custom Air, Kiletta, Express Net.com, World Airways will be affected by the closure, not to mention the number of ground workers that will be displaced as well. The closure of KDAY does not mean that these airlines come to a screaching halt. There are othe contracts to be flown on behalf of other freight operators such as BAX, sub service for FED EX on their postal runs.
Last edited by captjns; 04-11-2006 at 12:39 PM.
04-11-2006, 01:34 PM
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Uh, they do...
Hey captjns,
They do take people's money, if they are dumb enough to give it up. It's called www.jetuniversity.com and someone has done the dirty work of calling them. From another board:
I believe that this seems to be credible info. I'm sure there are some that can get hired w/o forking over the money, but they will try to get your $$ first, unless you stand up for yourself. So, before you jump all over Thedude, maybe you should look around first.
They do take people's money, if they are dumb enough to give it up. It's called www.jetuniversity.com and someone has done the dirty work of calling them. From another board:
Alright, I did the dirty work for everyone. (You're welcome) I called and spoke with a guy named Bob. Nice guy and "seemed" very straight foward and honest. Here ya go:
I only inquired about the FO program.
$33,000 = 500TT (250 FE then 250 FO) flying 727's for Custom Air Transport. Must go to Miami area for 2 months for training (he said "in a beautiful building with 18 full motion sims"). After training you get to go back home and they give you positive space tickets on airlines to go fly all over the country including the foriegn countries listed in the thread starter quote above. Work for CAT lasts about 10 months including the 2 months of training. You make 30/hour..per diem with CAT who has an overflow contract with UPS. So you make 18k of your 33k back. He said the program has been around for 6 years but has not been advertised. Something called Sim Center that trained pilots for CAT were the folks doing this for pretty much the same price I guess. He stated that in the past if someone were hired to stay on with CAT permanently they make 45/hr as F/O. For financing he only mentioned Wachovia. Also, he was very straight foward about himself and 2 or 3 others leaving Gulfstream (Which he referred to as "another pay for training program") to start this program.
I only inquired about the FO program.
$33,000 = 500TT (250 FE then 250 FO) flying 727's for Custom Air Transport. Must go to Miami area for 2 months for training (he said "in a beautiful building with 18 full motion sims"). After training you get to go back home and they give you positive space tickets on airlines to go fly all over the country including the foriegn countries listed in the thread starter quote above. Work for CAT lasts about 10 months including the 2 months of training. You make 30/hour..per diem with CAT who has an overflow contract with UPS. So you make 18k of your 33k back. He said the program has been around for 6 years but has not been advertised. Something called Sim Center that trained pilots for CAT were the folks doing this for pretty much the same price I guess. He stated that in the past if someone were hired to stay on with CAT permanently they make 45/hr as F/O. For financing he only mentioned Wachovia. Also, he was very straight foward about himself and 2 or 3 others leaving Gulfstream (Which he referred to as "another pay for training program") to start this program.
04-11-2006, 01:42 PM
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33,000 dollars to PFT on a old raggedy 727. Im sorry but I have a lot of trouble believing that there are people out there gullible enough to do that. That is absolutely outlandish to me.
04-11-2006, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 1800 RVR
Hey captjns,
They do take people's money, if they are dumb enough to give it up. It's called www.jetuniversity.com and someone has done the dirty work of calling them. From another board:
I believe that this seems to be credible info. I'm sure there are some that can get hired w/o forking over the money, but they will try to get your $$ first, unless you stand up for yourself. So, before you jump all over Thedude, maybe you should look around first.
They do take people's money, if they are dumb enough to give it up. It's called www.jetuniversity.com and someone has done the dirty work of calling them. From another board:
I believe that this seems to be credible info. I'm sure there are some that can get hired w/o forking over the money, but they will try to get your $$ first, unless you stand up for yourself. So, before you jump all over Thedude, maybe you should look around first.
Simcenter of Miami has an abinitio training program. True students pay Sim Center $33,000 for program starting with an F/E rating. After they obtain their F/E rating they fly as an F/E for about 6 months with full pay. So there is an immediate recovery of funds as they are treated as normal crewmembers with full pay as if they were employed directly by Custom Air Transport.
After 6 months on the panel, they return to the school house to upgrade to the F/O position. They then fly as F/Os for at least 200 hours with full pay at the normal F/O rate. Those who cut it continue to fly for CAT. Those who don't well that's the way it goes. You will find individuals who have trained with Sim Center over 2 years ago still flying with CAT. So do the math. These students have more than recovered their training expences. In fact some, while still flying for CAT, have moved on the regionals.
There are no suprises in the contract that the student enters into with Sim Center. All of the training expenses as well as hourly wages are contained within the document.
Do I endorse such a program? Its not for me to judge. But those are the facts.
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04-11-2006, 06:38 PM
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OK, sounds like you may have me on semantics. MAYBE CAT themselves don't charge, but it sure sounds like they are profiting in some way. Their position in this deal is very murky, at best.
BUT, and this is a big but, this is still PFT. The previous poster was spot on when he said that these folks would happy to make you part with your money. I have my opinions as well, however, I will tell people how I feel about this. I feel that I have an obligation to show up and coming pilots that there are places out there that are unscrupulous(sp) and are not there for the benefit of the pilot. They are there to mitigate their training costs and actually make money off of pilots that may be in need of a job.
BUT, and this is a big but, this is still PFT. The previous poster was spot on when he said that these folks would happy to make you part with your money. I have my opinions as well, however, I will tell people how I feel about this. I feel that I have an obligation to show up and coming pilots that there are places out there that are unscrupulous(sp) and are not there for the benefit of the pilot. They are there to mitigate their training costs and actually make money off of pilots that may be in need of a job.
04-11-2006, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by captjns
Simcenter of Miami has an abinitio training program. True students pay Sim Center $33,000 for program starting with an F/E rating. After they obtain their F/E rating they fly as an F/E for about 6 months with full pay. So there is an immediate recovery of funds as they are treated as normal crewmembers with full pay as if they were employed directly by Custom Air Transport.
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04-11-2006, 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by captjns
Custom Air does not take anyone's cash. Where do you come with this crap?
04-12-2006, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by DC8jetdog73
HERE IS A REAL EDUCATION: Menlo is Emery - changed to hide the guilty.
Emery pilots were replaced by Ryan International crews, not by CAT... not by Express Net, nor Kiletta, nor World Airways.
Your beef is with Ryan International... not the others.
The reason they are not scabs is because they were not part of any action against the Emery Pilots. Even ALPA thought the strike would have been unauthorized too.
By the way... when Challenge Air Cargo pilots lost their jobs... where were you? They were put out of a job with the purchase by UPS... and there was no strike or other issues. So what's the difference? Surely you don't believe in double standards?
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