What do you FedEx guys think of this?
03-12-2006, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by To Stay or Go
Hello folks, this is Tom Nicholson (UPS 747 Cpt and IPA Pres) with the EB Hotline for Saturday, March 11th.
This week saw the pilots of Federal Express, as represented by ALPA, and FedEx management move much closer to a final agreement... >
This week saw the pilots of Federal Express, as represented by ALPA, and FedEx management move much closer to a final agreement... >
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03-13-2006, 05:58 AM
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03-13-2006, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by To Stay or Go
Hello folks, this is Tom Nicholson (UPS 747 Cpt and IPA Pres) with the EB Hotline for Saturday, March 11th.
This week saw the pilots of Federal Express, as represented by ALPA, and FedEx management move much closer to a final agreement. Industry experts believe a deal at UPS archrival FedEx could come within a matter of weeks.
A ratified pilot agreement at Federal Express, according to those same industry experts, will provide FedEx with a major competitive advantage over UPS. As UPS remains stymied in a protracted and unresolved pilot labor dispute—FedEx CEO Fred Smith is poised to present his company as one free of labor unrest.
UPS—its employees and shareholders—could be significantly impacted by such a development.
There is another way. Over the past months, the Association and UPS management have narrowed our differences significantly. What remains, however, is the difference between a substandard contract, versus a contract that meets the reasonable requirements of the pilot group.
The Executive Board is of the belief that one more attempt should be made to re-engage the Company in the process of negotiations prior to any Fed Ex deal. Of course the timing, shape, and resumption of the process are totally in the hands of the National Mediation Board. The EB is committed to working with the NMB and UPS management to determine if sufficient grounds exist to warrant a re-engagement in the process of negotiations at this time. Those preliminary discussions have begun.
Again, both UPS and IPA must keep our eyes on the target. A multinational, multibillion dollar corporation operating a time sensitive delivery and logistics international network cannot compete while weighed down by labor issues. This is akin to fighting with one arm tied behind your back. UPS wants a pilot labor agreement. The IPA membership wants an agreement. The NMB wants an agreement.
On the eve of a potential FedEx deal, the necessity of UPS and IPA to make an additional attempt to resolve our disagreement over the contract is sound logic. To succeed, however, both sides will have to demonstrate flexibility.
We are signaling our intent to join in a process of give and take. At the same time, we are sending a very strong message to the Company that their last proposals outlined in Appleton in December are completely unacceptable to this pilot group. Critical areas of the contract must be successfully addressed prior to any possibility of a TA.
As this possibility of a re-engagement in the process unfolds in the coming weeks, we’ll keep you informed—subject only to any restrictions placed on the parties by the NMB.
Well folks that wraps it up from here for this week. The next EB Hotline will be on Saturday, March 18th. Until then, fly safe, be professional and remain united. >
This week saw the pilots of Federal Express, as represented by ALPA, and FedEx management move much closer to a final agreement. Industry experts believe a deal at UPS archrival FedEx could come within a matter of weeks.
A ratified pilot agreement at Federal Express, according to those same industry experts, will provide FedEx with a major competitive advantage over UPS. As UPS remains stymied in a protracted and unresolved pilot labor dispute—FedEx CEO Fred Smith is poised to present his company as one free of labor unrest.
UPS—its employees and shareholders—could be significantly impacted by such a development.
There is another way. Over the past months, the Association and UPS management have narrowed our differences significantly. What remains, however, is the difference between a substandard contract, versus a contract that meets the reasonable requirements of the pilot group.
The Executive Board is of the belief that one more attempt should be made to re-engage the Company in the process of negotiations prior to any Fed Ex deal. Of course the timing, shape, and resumption of the process are totally in the hands of the National Mediation Board. The EB is committed to working with the NMB and UPS management to determine if sufficient grounds exist to warrant a re-engagement in the process of negotiations at this time. Those preliminary discussions have begun.
Again, both UPS and IPA must keep our eyes on the target. A multinational, multibillion dollar corporation operating a time sensitive delivery and logistics international network cannot compete while weighed down by labor issues. This is akin to fighting with one arm tied behind your back. UPS wants a pilot labor agreement. The IPA membership wants an agreement. The NMB wants an agreement.
On the eve of a potential FedEx deal, the necessity of UPS and IPA to make an additional attempt to resolve our disagreement over the contract is sound logic. To succeed, however, both sides will have to demonstrate flexibility.
We are signaling our intent to join in a process of give and take. At the same time, we are sending a very strong message to the Company that their last proposals outlined in Appleton in December are completely unacceptable to this pilot group. Critical areas of the contract must be successfully addressed prior to any possibility of a TA.
As this possibility of a re-engagement in the process unfolds in the coming weeks, we’ll keep you informed—subject only to any restrictions placed on the parties by the NMB.
Well folks that wraps it up from here for this week. The next EB Hotline will be on Saturday, March 18th. Until then, fly safe, be professional and remain united. >
03-13-2006, 09:04 AM
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I ran into a UPS crew in customs at ICN last month. They asked about us being close to a deal, we said not that we know of in fact as FR8Hauler indicates above, we are many months or years away from a TA. The UPS guys said their union reps are passing this info through their messsage line, I guess like the one at the top of this thread. I brought this issue up to my union rep and he told me directly that UPS is getting bad info and we are no where close to an agreement.
Bottom line: UPS message line is passing bad info! You need to contact your union reps and find out what's going on. I assume our team is in frequent talks with yours so who's putting out your message line and what is their agenda? I hope your team isn't basing what they tell you upon what they hear from our management because that's all spin for public consumption.
Bottom line: UPS message line is passing bad info! You need to contact your union reps and find out what's going on. I assume our team is in frequent talks with yours so who's putting out your message line and what is their agenda? I hope your team isn't basing what they tell you upon what they hear from our management because that's all spin for public consumption.
03-13-2006, 09:38 AM
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behind the scenes a lot is going on. We could have a T/a extremely soon.
Most line slugs take the standard We're Far Apart as the spoken truth. In reality, we could have a contract wrapped up in 2 days if the company decided that's what it wanted.
Most line slugs take the standard We're Far Apart as the spoken truth. In reality, we could have a contract wrapped up in 2 days if the company decided that's what it wanted.
03-13-2006, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Sasquatch
behind the scenes a lot is going on. We could have a T/a extremely soon.
Most line slugs take the standard We're Far Apart as the spoken truth. In reality, we could have a contract wrapped up in 2 days if the company decided that's what it wanted.
One reason, and one reason only.
Appearances.
And then, only to stockholders and customers. If The Company can appear to its customers and stockholders to be negotiating in good faith and close to keeping the pilots happy, it's good for business. In fact PAYING pilots more is NOT good for business (from their limited, erroneous perspective).
So, UPS guys - - if you believe that garbage, you've just fallen for the propoganda that was aimed at the customers and stockholders of our company, and you have VERY good reason NOT to - - you're in the same situation where we find ourselves. Don't worry, we're not gonna beat you up for making such a silly mistake - - we may find ourselves doing the very same embarassing thing somewhere down the road. Let's just pick ourselves up, dust off the humiliation, and press on.
When will we get a contract? When The Company gets the message that we're tired of waiting.
Personally, I think
TWO YEARS IS TOO LONG!
- The truth only hurts if it should -
03-13-2006, 12:53 PM
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03-13-2006, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Sasquatch
behind the scenes a lot is going on. We could have a T/a extremely soon.
Most line slugs take the standard We're Far Apart as the spoken truth. In reality, we could have a contract wrapped up in 2 days if the company decided that's what it wanted.
Most line slugs take the standard We're Far Apart as the spoken truth. In reality, we could have a contract wrapped up in 2 days if the company decided that's what it wanted.
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