Overnitefr8

Is it my understanding from the NC's letter this evening that there is an agreement with the company? It just has to be discussed with the MEC before further details are presented?
Couldn't quite figure out what he was saying as far as how it will be an increase in pay. But then again I'm on the bus and he only mentioned the MD being affected.

990Convair

I predicted this earlier in this post -

"Final ruling - The 777F will be paid at the same pay-rates as our current book wide-body rates with the bulk of the extra money being made in block over-ride or some other concocted ULR yet to be designed addendum. The big bonus as I see it is minimum days worked for max days off due to extremely long legs."

Remember, if the company WANTS this as opposed to a separate rate of pay, there MUST be a reason. Mark my words, we are going to get screwed, again. This furlough talk is nothing more than "scare tactics" to force yet another company written LOA down our throats.

When ALPA's economic analysis team sees the make-up/draft/volunteer being flown they will tell the company to first do away with this type of flying before lowering BLG's for all, and in my opinion, they would have a strong case.

Buyer beware.

HoursHore

I am willing to let the bastards who bid it fly it for 727 rates.

Deuce130

The email sounded good at first read. Then, after a second reading, it sounded more like a potential "hidden money" thing, even though the first part of the email made it sound like we were wary of that kind of talk. After a third reading, it still sounded OK. I think he's simply trying to communicate to us better than the previous guys. In summary, 1) Good job getting word out to us in a timely fashion. 2) TBD on everything else.

Magenta Line

IMO, what is potentially being proferred by the company is a "compromise" on A380 rates. In which case they win, at least initially if not in the long run.

By offering the "long range premium" the company is not budging on it's position of paying 380 rates. The company offers the wide body rate with the caveat that any trip/flight that is double crewed gets the "premium." And, oh by the way, we'll include the MD also. Which in de facto, makes both airframe's "widebody" and eligible for the same 'premium.'

Simply put...... the difference between flying the 777 v. the MD at FDX would be the days off and the type rating written on your license.

Edited to add: and of course, all of this would be re-negotiated as 2010 fast approaches...

Huck

But the 777 will fly much more (probably all, eventually) of the double-crew flights, no?

Magenta Line

Yes, eventually I would say it would fly much more of the double crewed flights than the MD but the CP said the 777 would be doing much more domestic and MEM-ANC stuff initially (but really.... what does he or anyone else know?).

Look at it another way as a MD right seater; if a LOA is ratified and signed tomorrow granting us "widebody" types a long range premium that triggers on a double crew augmentation then you and I will be paid this premium on our next CDG-SFS/KIX-MEM/MEM-NRT leg WAY long before we even see a B777 in FDX livery on the ramp in MEM.....

Mgmt's way of throwing a juicy bone to the dogs to keep the pack occupied..... IMO of course!

990Convair

They'll be some stupid definition, like "CREW" where in the company's interpretation it's a Captain and A First-Officer. Then they'll not pay since you had an RFO or an ND that can't be at the controls, hence no "crew" by definition.....I'm just saying there HAS to be a reason they don't want the new payrate.......

990Convair

Of course, the details are forthcoming, but if the premium is only paid when you are "double-crewed" then the instructors get a big fat "nada" in the schoolhouse, and when you go to training, or get your vacation paid, or call in sick, or really anything NOT associated with double crewing you get straight widebody.

If we pass this, we are a bunch of idiots. Big savings for the company, BIG.

WWDD? (what would Delta do?)

active_herk

Of course we will see the details later, but I'm curious, do you think the pay premium will be for the entire trip, or only for the leg(s) containing the double crew? This could be quite a difference, as there is always the chance of trip rig wash out if it is only for the double crewed (is that a word?) leg(s).