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Lindy 01-01-2009 09:28 AM

What's to stop.....
 
What is to stop the company from invoking 4.2.b NOW and then during the fall time period, increasing the hours to "peak" flying and then in January a reduction via 4.2.b?

Reading the contractual language, there are no limits/stops on this behavior and the company can keep doing this for a couple of years (if they so desire).

Just another log for the roaring blaze.

Gunter 01-01-2009 09:30 AM

Forgetaboutit.

Laughing_Jakal 01-01-2009 12:09 PM

Nothing...until such time they need to hire a pilot. Maybe we will see huge blocks of hiring in the future, followed by the "need to avoid a furlough".....Perhaps we will hire 200 in a month, and pay them training pay which would be more than offset by the BLG reduction....


That is except for one very real reality. FedEx is in this to make money, and really prefers a growing market with as many fricking pilots and airplanes it can possibly support, filled to the gills flying up to FAR limits. They really don't exist just to $crew us. Until the optimizer can fly us all to min days off [I]and[I] keep the credit hours below 68/85, then you don't have to worry about it for perpetuity.

I would say, that it will exist as long as we don't hire, and have under-utilized DC-10 pilots waiting for training.

barefooter 01-01-2009 12:17 PM

Just finished emailing my ACP, asking for relocation information due to recent FCIF and probability of being excessed to "foreign domicile". I would suggest doing the same to enforce the "cost savings" of future excess bids.

fedupbusdriver 01-01-2009 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by Laughing_Jakal (Post 528773)
Nothing...until such time they need to hire a pilot. Maybe we will see huge blocks of hiring in the future, followed by the "need to avoid a furlough".....Perhaps we will hire 200 in a month, and pay them training pay which would be more than offset by the BLG reduction....


That is except for one very real reality. FedEx is in this to make money, and really prefers a growing market with as many fricking pilots and airplanes it can possibly support, filled to the gills flying up to FAR limits. They really don't exist just to $crew us. Until the optimizer can fly us all to min days off [I]and[I] keep the credit hours below 68/85, then you don't have to worry about it for perpetuity.

I would say, that it will exist as long as we don't hire, and have under-utilized DC-10 pilots waiting for training.

The unutilized 10 guys awaiting training get paid as follows;

25 C 8.
If no bid period package is published for a crew position due to the absence of known and confirmed flying in such crew position, pilots holding such crew position shall not be awarded lines for the bid period and shall be paid the average scheduled BLG for regular lines, system-wide.

Unknown Rider 01-01-2009 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by barefooter (Post 528779)
Just finished emailing my ACP, asking for relocation information due to recent FCIF and probability of being excessed to "foreign domicile". I would suggest doing the same to enforce the "cost savings" of future excess bids.

Ok, you do understand that you can't be excessed to a Foreign Domicile?

Laughing_Jakal 01-01-2009 12:56 PM

Really? I did't know that.....I was never going to bid HKG anyway, so all that stuff was not going to affect me.:D

I didn't know that little tidbit about the Average bidpack thing for the 10..............I guess I knew at one time, but again, it was never going to affect me.

barefooter 01-01-2009 01:02 PM

I am aware that I can't be excessed to a foreign domicile; however if I bid to relieve excess, I am entitled to the relocation package.

onetime 01-01-2009 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by fedupbusdriver (Post 528781)
The unutilized 10 guys awaiting training get paid as follows;

25 C 8.
If no bid period package is published for a crew position due to the absence of known and confirmed flying in such crew position, pilots holding such crew position shall not be awarded lines for the bid period and shall be paid the average scheduled BLG for regular lines, system-wide.

FBD, you and I have been discussing this on another post. The key to that paragraph is going to be "no bid period package is published" and intent. I hope you are right, but again don't be surprised when it happens.

tennesseeflyboy 01-01-2009 01:14 PM

I hope that we get more than "lip service" from our electorate and that they perform the due diligence that has been entrusted to them. I don't want to read any more milk-toast sounding communications that leave me feeling helpless in this situation ..................... If there is going to be monthly BLG reductions, it better be ACROSS THE BOARD, and not a cherry picking situation for airplane types. I am not interested in having anyone here lose their positions and I will gladly take the cuts to keep them onboard ......................


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