If someone is flying M/U doesn't that indicate he has given up pay previously?

I drop nearly a month of flying during the summers to work as a volunteer with my family .... and now I should feel guilty if I try and make it up during the winter months?

I guess that is why I am starting to hate this conversation.

How does one define "abusing M/U"?

FEDUPFLEX says: For those of you who were not on FedEx property prior to 2006, or 1995 for that matter, this discussion is rapidly falling into what Management and their union busting consultants thrive on: we start eating our own! If you ever wondered why your fellow pilots' trip pay codes are sanitized from the pairings, Management enacted that practice to protect their "200 per centers" during our November 1995 self-help debacle.


Flex, you are exactly right but the vocal minority doesnt get it. We will never get what we want because of the "I've got mine" mentality. Unity has become just another word. There is a lack of "kinship" on this property and until that changes, we are hosed. Management loves this public nonsense and the rest of the industry thinks we are morons. We are probably the most divided crew force in the industry. It's gotta change.

This is an interesting mindset here at FedEx. I wonder if other airlines have this policy? Personally, I'd like to see the whole m/u thing done away with.

If you need to drop for military, well that's protected by law. Family emergency ... talk to your Flight Manager and ask him to please drop that trip. Just want to see the kids soccer game? Nothing wrong with that (in fact I'd ague that's being a good parent) if we're manned properly and CRS allows the drop.

But why do people think they are "ENTITLED" to make that pay up? I say you were fortunate to get the time off to begin with, STOP the WHINING, especially if it makes you look like you are padding your monthly pay.

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Yeah, and why do guys think they should be able to trade trips to improve their schedule? Shouldn't you just fly what your awarded and stop whining about it. Who cares if someone has 7 commutes in 4 weeks, man up.:rolleyes:

There is nothing wrong with recovering lost pay.

Doing M/U for trips you lost while working and earning income elsewhere is a grey area, but those guys have to police themselves.

Guys on this forum are in panic mode! I wish guys would do all the M/U they feel is right and do it now! Because, if we put guys on the street there won't be any good reason to do M/U or protect any carryover. That is when the list will start.

When guys lose thier jobs we need to lose pay to get them back, until then do what you are doing. Next summer if guys are on the street and you take time off with the family know it's a pay cut and don't plan on making it up until all the guys are back on property.

So, if you feel entitled to extra flying/money DO IT NOW.

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Ah yes, a pearl of wisdom from yet another 15+ year widebody captain. I am glad that we have so many self-appointed, pretentious, windbags around to tell us what we should and shouldn't do. CBA says 'we' can do it, then 'we' can do it, Mark included.

AV8442 and R1200RT are on target.

Mark has been here for 13+ yrs, just saying! :cool:

<This is not an endorsement of his opinion>

You mean from someone who budgets to live off his basic take-home pay? (no widebody Capt snide remarks required, I could have managed just as well on my DC-10 s/o pay)

Yeah, well the CBA says you can do a lot of things that folks on this board have spent a lot of time whining, moaning, and gnashing teeth over. Bidding the 777 (or any other vacancy) is legal by the CBA, as is applying for a Flex or LCA/SCA position. Yet there were many pages devoted to eviscerating Pablo for doing so. Even flying a DP or any other pairing in open time, is not contrary to the CBA. Yet look at what reaction that entirely legal action deservedly brings.

IMHO, and it is just my opinion, is that any flying done in excess of your awarded BLG/RLG, is hurting our pilot group. You are telling the company, in effect, that, "yes, we are overmanned. I'm more than willing to fly extra hours at straight time, thus eliminating the need for additional pilots to fly those hours. Perhaps you should furlough some, so we can all fly makeup if we desire. After all, it's my right under the CBA." If you pick up extra, you are not "sharing the pain."
I don't care if you dropped hours to help starving kids, care for a sick mom, or be ace-of-the-base over in the sandbox. Now is not the time to be flying extra. Trade a trip to make the commute easier, or swap a GFK trip for a BNA trip to get out of the cold. Sure. Just don't pick up a bunch of extra hours at straight time. Even DRF/VOL is better. At least then, you are making the company pay a premium to satisfy your greed.

Just my $0.02 worth. Standing by for the flames

I agree. Thats what I have been saying here also. Sure its legal to MU right now above our BLG, and we can all come up with some rationalization for why we are doing it, but NOW is NOT the time. Our most junior are at risk, our BLG's are more at risk, what little we have in unity is at risk.
BD

Weak response ... very weak. Sounds like something FH would say? The CBA also allows you (gives you the right?) to make $350K/year but I doubt you could find anybody that would think it was a good idea?

R1200RT,

I think your above statement is the best I have read on this forum in the last month.

IF (BIG IF) the company were to furlough. Actually, the moment they put out a list ....... everything changes. Time to go to a hard and fast 48/60 month (as per our contract ... verbiage and intent).

But until that time ...... coming up with random work rules ....... on this forum ........ using our silly fake names ...... and then having acrimony towards those that don't follow the new rules..... is the very thing that will split the pilot group.

OH, our union does not think their is a threat of anybody getting furloughed either ..... see Resolutions #09-01 and #09-02

Fire away

Ah the panic, tell you what, why don't you and the panicked entourage drop a bunch of trips and don't do any M/U? That way you'll be telling the company that we are so understaffed and over worked that we need pilots. Exact same logic as don't fly extra or the company might know we are overstaffed.

The end of the fiscal year is coming up fast.

Wait until the shoe falls before you over react.

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What not do something because it isn't the right thing to do?

For the past year, anyone born after Ike was CIC has been told to calm down about the regulated age change and mind your elders. It's the law, now get over it. They have every right to do what they are legally entitled to under the CBA. Yadda, Yadda,Yadda.

Now we have articulated to those that read this site, "don't fly anything extra", not while the company has it's hand in your pocket. OK, I'm a team player with a family, mortgage, college and an affinity for the finer things in life, so I'm going to do what I must with what I get. I thought about getting a second job with all this quality time on my hands, but what about the other poor guy that needs to substitute at the middle school or drive a bus or rake leaves, might I just be pushing my problems onto a genre of people that don't happen to wear ALPA lanyards?

What is indisputable, is that we must get behind the union! If they fail, we all fail.

The company has us in a very convenient position. A year or so of this MBLG situation, and the vine will be well ripened for picking come negotiations in 2010. Heck, to give us a year might be insanely optimistic.

But if we are going to list the "things we might consider doing, even though the CBA says its Ok", how about the over 60 crowd "declaring a non-emergency and rolling the fire trucks to spot 13". Hey, they have had a good career, a good A fund, B fund, 401K, kids are probably long gone, new set of sails, their first few ex-wives are probably remarried and don't forget the VEBA to help them to medicare.

Just a thought. So log on and let's get this party rolling.