Your first highlighted statement tells me you are lying about your past airline experience, as the UPS airline management "airline within airline" is the exception in the industry, not the norm. Most instructors and check airmen are union guys in the outside world.

As far as your second statement, taking $53 million per year directly from the employees who have contributed exponentially that amount to the company's revenue is not one of the choices that will allow UPS to "maintain the profitability of our company"

SEGATAKI, now that we have your attention I asked this question in another thread; perhaps as a "manager" you can break away from the perception of uselessness your group has for just a moment, and provide an answer or at least some insight....

How is it you guys get to circumnavigate the FAR duty limits?
Now this is a message board topic a judge can use!

Now back to your regularly scheduled uselessness.

fr8flyer;

I'm an IPA guy but I do have to disagree with you on one point, management pilots here at UPS are not under worked by any measure. They work hard and are expected to perform regardless of work rules or FAR's for that matter. They're superhuman superhero superpilots as seen by Atlanta. Why else would you expect Atlanta want to furlough us IPA bums but keep all of those superhero pilots? Get the big picture yet? <NG>

You are correct, I have elevated them to "HERO" status, just don't want to be like them!

Brownie,you said "TOOL"

Segataki,

Thanks for posting, some of us newbs need to know who's around here with little to do other than monitor the 'net. Or, ok- LOTS to do, but still monitor the net- whichever.... How much did the 300 make for UPS on their probation year?

I've flown with Segataki and know he's not lying about having been in the airline industry for many years. It's his prerogative to share his background with us so I won't get into any details however, he's right when he says he has lots of airline experience.

I too wish our company would hire check airman, instructors, etc only from within our ranks - just like all other airlines do. I also think that'd be what Casey Brothers would've wanted - they always promoted from within. I have hard time understanding how hiring from outside follows their steps but that's way above my pay grade.

I personally think we should stay firm on our goals without getting personal with any of our managers. They made a decision to come here and obviously have to stick to their decision as they have no other choice. To demonize them serves no good purpose in my opinion.

Especially when we jump on someone like Segataki who in my opinion is a very fair and straight forward guy; I actually enjoyed flying with him. If you've read my posts before you know I like to be a straight shooter so I am not looking for any brownie points here.

What I am saying is that we should stay united without becoming antagonistic because that serves no purpose whatsoever.

Just my 1/2 penny...

Fire away...

PLlllllllllllllllllllllllllz. What do they put in your catering in ANC, AV8OR you seem like a stand up guy but remember one thing as i don't know if you're one the 300's. When you're kicked to the side walk sagataki will pick up the slack (ya that good guy you just described) so ups can keep you out longer while your fellow ipa pilots will be taking care of you and whatever the needs you have so you can comeback to a great contract with no concession. We'll take care of all you and just remember this next time you fly with him and ask him if he's willing to help you out (I already know the answer) because i will>:cool:

His profile says -400. How have you flown with him?

I dislike the "inner airline" just as much as the next guy but I tend to agree with AV8OR. I dont see any value in degrading the mgt pilots. The ones I've talked to are guys like you and me. Many were furloughed from previous airlines and Brown offered them a job and they took it. Some just wanted to work in a mgt capacity and had no desire to undercut the pilot group. How many IPAers would have turned down a UPS mgt pilot slot when they sitting at home furloughed (I know thats not everyone's story). I was halfway through probation before I fully understood the threat that the mgt guys presented to us and I'm sure some of them were on property before they realized it too (other than the crossovers). In fact does anyone know how many mgt guys were hired off the street and how many came from within?

Once again I'm a IPAer, in the potential furlough group and I think the mgt gang should be laid off with or before any union pilots but its not b/c I dont like them personally...its just whats right IMO