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03-19-2009, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Waborita
Is it just me or has everyone else seen a lot of management rats out of their cellars and flying the 747/400? Seems like a lot of mgmnt on mgmnt ioe and proficiency flying the past 4 months?
03-19-2009, 10:57 PM
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My guess is that the minute UPS furloughs the first IPA member without furloughing a manager, the resulting ****storm will take the company by surprise.
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03-19-2009, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by say that again
My guess is that the minute UPS furloughs the first IPA member without furloughing a manager, the resulting ****storm will take the company by surprise.
03-20-2009, 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Buck92
An interesting point. I've actually run the spectrum on theorizing whether they will or not. I originally thought they might just fire a few of the management 'trouble-makers' outright. But now, I wonder... dumping any of those guys really doesn't strengthen the company's case for them not to join the Union. With frozen pay/401k contributions, I'm sure some of them must be rethinking that already.
In any case, the companies attempts to justify not laying off ACP's will only serve to wake a sleeping giant in my opinion.
03-20-2009, 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Waborita
Is it just me or has everyone else seen a lot of management rats out of their cellars and flying the 747/400? Seems like a lot of mgmnt on mgmnt ioe and proficiency flying the past 4 months?
That's correct! After LK made his ANC appearance pitching line value reductions, those guys started IOE, and consolidation...great timing. Flew a trips with a boat load of mgrs (5) and they are planning to fly more and need to be off of high mins.
03-20-2009, 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by say that again
My guess is that the minute UPS furloughs the first IPA member without furloughing a manager, the resulting ****storm will take the company by surprise.
I think this overstates our power (IPA) and ability to influence while underestimating that of the company. While the company could not effectively deal with and OT/JA ban today, once the fleets are built up to the planned level post displacement, they will. (VTO LINES)
Having said this, the company's problem, regarding furlough, will remain the MD11 and -400 ANC. Even after the training is complete from 09-101 and 09-201, furlough of the bottom 300 would take the 400 to 55 FOs (41 prior to 201 and 55 after). But, if only 150 were furloughed, 115 FOs would remain on the -400 (number post 09-201).
03-20-2009, 05:45 AM
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What ot/ja you all are talking about there are no open time for the next 2 pay period to be picked up or jaed for so we better have a another plan up our sleeves. There are no o/t at any domicile or fleet for 0904 and 0905 unless the company is hiding or contracting flights away i say we're either utilized to the max or we lost about 30% of our flights.
03-20-2009, 06:44 AM
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Brownie, you really need to fix the way you write. Barely figured out what you wanted to say. There is little open time available. It pops up day to day and sometimes there is more or less. Right now, there is little because they took it all out for VTO's. The day prior to line improvement, you will again notice a significant amount. Then senior guys will go in and dump their crap to pick up something better because (for example) it starts one day earlier, etc. I know you are aware of this and how it all works.
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