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Old 03-18-2009, 03:42 PM
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Discussions on Pause While
Study Intensifies
Representatives of the Company and the Association did not meet today in order to allow both sides additional time to study voluntary leave, voluntary work schedule reduction, and voluntary retirement concepts in greater detail.
“The discussions have moved into an important new phase. We have moved beyond general concepts and now are getting into details,” said IPA President Bob Miller. “Working through these details will take time, and ultimately will determine whether or not we can succeed.”
Miller said the EB is aware that members are intensely interested in the outcome of the talks.
“We are keenly aware that hundreds of our members are facing a possible furlough, status downgrade, or forced domicile change. While we want to keep you informed, we know that our best chance of success will come by focusing our efforts on creating alternatives to furloughing. Right now, we do not have an agreement, and we are not in a position, at this point, to make a prediction. It’s too early,” he added.
Miller said the study period could go into Friday, into the weekend, and possibly into next week.
“We are not going rush. The Board is determined to methodically work through every issue in an attempt to reach a workable solution.”
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Old 03-18-2009, 08:02 PM
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BLA BLA BLA....same stuff different employer....

I don't recall any discussions taking place prior to my previous furloughs. Time is on our side, have faith.
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Old 03-18-2009, 08:49 PM
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The thing that bothers me is last week I had to read that IPA email from BM 3 times. Upon first sight the letter looked as if we were not going to be furloughed. Upon closer analysis I learned that it was BM's "OPINION" that there should be no furloughs with volunteer LOA's, possible retirements, military leave etc. I laughed hysterically after that because in the past two years UPS has not listened to or done anything the IPA has suggested about staffing even when it would have saved them money. So why will they now?

Now maybe I am reading into today's IPNN a little too much, but BM seems a little more realistic and alot less chest thumping. Hoping for the best expecting the worst.
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Upon closer analysis I learned that it was BM's "OPINION" that there should be no furloughs with volunteer LOA's, possible retirements, military leave etc. I laughed hysterically after that because in the past two years UPS has not listened to or done anything the IPA has suggested about staffing even when it would have saved them money. So why will they now?
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Not only that, they will often do the opposite just to show the inmates exactly who is running the asylum
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I agree. I will be utterly astounded if they don't put a few of us on the street, if only for a while to prove they can. It may, ironically, even end up costing them money. But you figure those bottom guys displaced to the panel with no training date are basically freebies for them on the chessboard. They have to incur those training costs anyway, so putting them (us) out for even a few months to make the point, then calling back for training (of some kind) doesn't cost them really any more than our good will, which let's be honest, ain't high among many in the first place.

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doesn't cost them really anymore than our good will, which let's be honest, ain't high among many in the first place.
It's a shame for me to see this developing in you guys. Not that I blame you one bit, but we all shared your excitement on this board when you got hired.

I always hope for better relations and treatment for each new generation of pilots that gets hired here, but it never seems to happen.

You guys will still have long careers here, but you will never forget this, even if the threat does not come to pass
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Old 03-19-2009, 06:55 AM
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I agree, it is a shame that we work for an employer that treats its employees this way. I know I know, many companies do the same thing, but THIS company does not have to. UPS is not a struggling company guys. In fact, they will be an even stronger company when the recession ends, and it will end probably sometime this year.
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Some of you guys sound like a bunch of women, rationilizing and reasoning based on emotions and feelings.

This isn't about feelings and emotions, its business-its about earnings, balance sheets, investor confidence, and head count. Head count is too high, it will be reduced.

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Some of you guys sound like a bunch of women, rationilizing and reasoning based on emotions and feelings.

This isn't about feelings and emotions, its business-its about earnings, balance sheets, investor confidence, and head count. Head count is too high, it will be reduced.

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You just don't get it. It has nothing to do with "feelings" or "emotions". It's how UPS continues to screw their employees when they don't have to. Is the head count too high? Tell me you have proof that it is, please! When you hire a guy, then pay for him to move his family 3000 miles, then displace him 3000 back where he started, then furlough the guy? You just lost that guy FOREVER! He will do nothing but fight the company till he retires. How is that good for the investor?

Just heard that M&M/Mars will layoff about 30 people even though they made over 1 billion last year. When asked why the layoff, they said it was needed to make the company more efficient. Just another example of how these companys are using this recession to pad their wallets. UPS is no different! When they start losing money, then we can talk. Until then, screw em!
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I will tell you one thing: I will never work x-mas, thanksgiving, new years, kids and wifes b-day, and 4th of July (sick sick sick). Also, as a reservisit I plan, when I come back to bid 7 day blocks of reserve and put a military day on day 4 of each pairing and there's not a god dam thing they can do. So how much is that going to cost them. Not to mention my back that 's screwed up will act up alot on the road thus buying more days off in places I like. They are going to get my foot us thier Ars till I'm 65. Screw UPS and its upper management, this is war and I will use every dirty trick in the book. So I hope the managers like getting the call at the last minute when I fall down the steps walking to the jet. Paybacks are hell and after 5 airlines, I know all the dirty tricks, but prided myself in never using it. Well not know. Fights on, and fox 2.
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