Airline Pilot Central Forums
1  2  3  4  5 
Page 5 of 5
Go to

Airline Pilot Central Forums (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/)
-   Cargo (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/cargo/)
-   -   Md-11 Lsas (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/cargo/38530-md-11-lsas.html)

MD11Fr8Dog 03-29-2009 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FliFast (Post 586870)

What I have observed is that the MD11 is usually hand flown to 3000 to 5000' on climbout, then hand flown again at 1000' HAT so LSAS is not really used often.

Quirky airplane ? Yep, IMHO stemming from the small tail and high approach speeds, a moving foot during banked turns, a tendency to pitch up on landing if autobrakes aren't used, autothrottles going to idle just prior to the flare, and an FMC system that uses FROM - TO logic vs. TO logic...which is frustrating for us Boeing types.

FF


In 12 yrs on the MD11, I can't disagree too much with what you've said, except that I usually hand fly up through 14-15K and often to level off at cruise and I usually click off the AP on descent prior to 1500 HAT. As for the FROM-TO logic, I never flew a Boeing, so I'm sure the TO logic would frustrate me! ;)

boxhauler 03-29-2009 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MD11Fr8Dog (Post 586898)
In 12 yrs on the MD11, I can't disagree too much with what you've said, except that I usually hand fly up through 14-15K and often to level off at cruise .......

If you are leveling off at cruise in RVSM airspace, it is mandatory to have the autopilot on for climb or descent. just an FYI, not a spear.

MD11Fr8Dog 03-29-2009 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boxhauler (Post 586954)
If you are leveling off at cruise in RVSM airspace, it is mandatory to have the autopilot on for climb or descent. just an FYI, not a spear.

Not all airspace or cruise levels are RVSM, even in the US! But thanks for saving my ticket! ;)

dojetdriver 03-29-2009 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boxhauler (Post 586954)
If you are leveling off at cruise in RVSM airspace, it is mandatory to have the autopilot on for climb or descent. just an FYI, not a spear.

Not true, my FOM (FAA approved document) say the autopilot must be engaged while in LEVEL FLIGHT. It's approved to climb/descend with it off.

fdxdisco 03-29-2009 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dojetdriver (Post 587003)
Not true, my FOM (FAA approved document) say the autopilot must be engaged while in LEVEL FLIGHT. It's approved to climb/descend with it off.

Sorta true. Our FOM(FAA approved document) says "the autopilot must be engaged prior to entering RVSM airspace and for cruise and flight level changes while within RVSM airspace".

Guidance 91(appendix 4), the actual FAA guidance on RVSM, "recommends that the level off be accomplished using the altitude capture feature of the automatic altitude-control system, if installed."

So, I guess your FOM blows off the recommendation and lets you hand fly level changes. Ours is more restrictive and requires us to use the autopilot during level changes.

ICAO only requires that the autopilot be used during level cruise.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:07 PM.
1  2  3  4  5 
Page 5 of 5
Go to


User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons

Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

Website Copyright ©2000 - 2017 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands