Can we please get back to why we are unable to safely fly airplanes? It's an area that concerns me as I would like to salvage the remains of my career.

PIPE

And I have never met a sim that scares me. However, I have been in airplanes in weather and conditions that did put some reaffirmation in my affirmations. The training environment is a procedures game. You push the buttons at the right time, move the controls to make the 1's and 0's in the computer line up at the right time and viola you are a pilot per some guy that actually hasn't done your job.


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Simple answer is that you have to fly airplanes to fly safe airplanes. My guess is that if you always put the A/P on at 500' and click it off at 200' you may not be as safe as you should be. Then you add in the fact some have more miles in NWA First Class than FedEx cockpits. The 727 fleet does not appear to have a problem, wonder why?:rolleyes:

Yeah, I too thought Tallahasee was no big deal -- 'twas but a flesh wound, really.

PIPE

What do the Northern Lights have to do with anything? :confused:;)

Well, they were still flying when they hit the ground. Although during the approach and landing phase, it was more of a CFIT than landing problem.

Ya know....I was going to roll in hot on FH's comment.....Thought it was one of the most myopic, parochial and id"!ot!c of his many posts.....but then I read the above quote. FDX727........there are just no words for how.......ostrich like.....your post is. 1st it foments class (equipment) divisivement, 2nd it is incredibly dis-respectful and insensitive, and 3rd just plain highlights the fact that the hole you have stuck your own ostrich head in is indeed your own Bun&ho!e......the problems we face are systemic and cross all equipment, seniority and background lines. Perhaps a refocus on such issues as scheduling practices and fatigue would yield more progress and industry advancing solutions. JMHO :confused::cool:

Here ... here!

[quote=highflyer;606185]I find the Sim to be more intimidating than the Aircraft, too. I have flown with many low-time F/O's who are nervous about making X-wind landings because they had trouble with the maneuver in the Sim. It takes a few successful X-wind landings to get over the apprehension bred in the Sim.

I once knew a check airman (at the previous airline) who was proud of the fact that he was able to convince the Sim techs to adjust the 747 simulator to require more rudder than the Aircraft during a V1 cut. He believed that it got students to “use their feet better.” Maybe something like that is going on here.

[quote=SilverEagle;607831]American made the same type adjustment (flight controls inhibited) to their sims for upset training, the unintended consequences were unimaginable.