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As I said in an earlier post, I always prioritized so that I was getting as much sleep as I needed to show up well rested. That said, it's still important for the company to do all it can to facilitate a safe work environment.
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Originally Posted by KDENPilot
(Post 609546)
Good guess. Yeah, I'm single, so no pitter-patter of little feet to keep me awake when I'm at home. At least not yet.
Jetjok, I'm not opposed to the union at least finding out why the company is doing the standby assignments the way they are. There might be a good, legitimate reason for it that hasn't been made public. However, if there is, are we as a group willing to accept that? Based on what I read on here, I get the impression that everyone is convinced that everything the company does is evil, and if it's inconvenient for us, (which is all this is for the reserve guys is an inconvenience,) then we should start a fight with the company over it. There's plenty of other stuff to fight the company on, and I'm a firm believer in choosing your battles whenever possible. If you're on A reserve, then plan on getting called. Go ahead and take a 4 or 5 hour nap, and time it so that if scheduling calls you right at midnight, you'll have had some sleep. If you're not a night person, don't even set the alarm. That way, if you're not called, you sleep peacefully through the night, although you might wind up waking up at 4 or 5am. Too early in the morning for my taste, but if you like being up during daylight, that might be the way to go. Apparently they have further reduced stby periods by waiting till the last minute to decide if there are any potential holes in the "system" before filling stbys. Just remember: "Safety is the most important consideration in all FedEx operations." |
MD-11 am STBYs were in open time around 1930 local last night.
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back when i sat some hot stby this is the way ups did it all the time. bummer for you guys , welcome to the club.
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
(Post 609607)
Just remember: "Safety is the most important consideration in all FedEx operations." The Optimizer doesn't factor in safety concerns. It is programmed, and it's objective, is to chase cost savings. |
Originally Posted by Gunter
(Post 608202)
POR on scheduling with CC to the SIG seems to be in order.
Yes, Baron, he is supposed to be rested. We HAD a great way to ensure 2-4 more hours of rest for the same trip call out but it's been flushed down the toilet. What we HAD was a good way to prevent fatigue that is realistic, not just directed. Intentionally calling a guy in the middle of "normal" rest for a likely 3 or 4 A.M. show will be difficult to defend to anyone outside the company in the event something bad happens. |
Originally Posted by TheBaron
(Post 611694)
The problem is, many people are using that "2-4 more hours of rest" as their only rest. A few hours in a sleep room after you've been up all day doing "chores" at home isn't showing up rested in my book.
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Originally Posted by FedExBusBoy
(Post 608280)
You get the award for most unrealistic post of the day.........congrats!
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
(Post 611697)
How do you know? Are you confessing past sins? Is there a part of you that understands it is better to have more notice and it is worse to have less notice?
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Originally Posted by TheBaron
(Post 611700)
Why? Is it so bizarre to expect the people you are working with to be prepared for a trip? Reserve (A or B) is a "duty" assignment. Why the heartburn about being prepared for the possibility of a trip. Some would complain if the company called them at 1930 to tell them about a later STBY assignment, when they are technically in "rest." Some of you just like to whine.
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Originally Posted by TheBaron
(Post 611708)
No. I'm saying getting notified at 1930 that you are going to have a STBY period, then coming in to get a hub room at 2100 or 2200 hoping to get 3-4 hours of sleep before you get called for a trip is not showing up prepared for duty. If you haven't flown with people that try that, we don't work for the same airline.
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Originally Posted by Deuce130
(Post 611715)
What's your solution? How do you think guys should prepare for that STBY period when called at 1930? Immediately hop in bed, immediately fall asleep?
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Originally Posted by TheBaron
(Post 611721)
Good question. If I knew there was a chance for that I would be called for duty on a.m. reserve, I would be fast asleep (or trying) at 1930 and would be ****ed if CRS disturbed my slumber. Maybe that's why I don't do reserve...I prefer the known crappy trip to the unknown crappy trip.
Exactly the point. If you are pulling AM reserve you might prepare one way. If you are doing an AM stby you might prepare another way. When you are doing both it is easier to prepare with more notice of the stby vice less. Seems obvious (and safer) to most of us. |
Originally Posted by FDXLAG
(Post 611730)
Exactly the point. If you are pulling AM reserve you might prepare one way. If you are doing an AM stby you might prepare another way. When you are doing both it is easier to prepare with more notice of the stby vice less. Seems obvious (and safer) to most of us.
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more devil's advocate
I am not going to argue that standbys don't suck, flying at 3am doesn't suck, out+backs don't suck, reroutes don't suck, etc... But anybody here not know that's what they were signing up for at the interview? Double edged sword, people don't take it upon themselves to try to be rested (note I said "try", I know sometimes it doesn't happen) for RA, intl, whatever, maybe it ends up being a negotiation and even arbitration for company to argue for shorter duty days, but more of them. Anybody want regional number of days off?
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They need to make the decision to have a standby sooner, like they used to. The SCP said in a recent meeting reserve utilization was still low, so this shouldn't cost anything.
Yes, there is a free (or nearly so) way to ensure safety during some of our most challenging flying. Too bad it's not company policy any more. Got to try and save another .5 hrs on the line average. On a different note, news accounts indicate Colgan (Buffalo crash) might get hit in the jimmies for their allegedly poorly enforced policies on rest. IMHO, the FAA's blind eye may bite them. This is what you get when are too cozy with industry. Let the finger pointing begin. |
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