MD11Simnerd

Something to consider, there will be a large system bid coming out to do the UPS shuffle. 240 plus DC-8 crewmembers and the associated displacements and secondary moves will create significant training events, shortages in certain seats, and the associated open time. While we can't pick up open time during the bid(s) we are participating in RDG or J/S, we can pick up open time both before and after participation in those programs. Just one bid period of RDG from all of us will send a great message to all our crews, (top to bottom), stop the furlough, and also put us in a slightly short staffed situation creating more of that open time to pick up on the bid periods that we are not participating. It will be close to a wash if we look at our total pay hours over the year as a whole with one bid period of participation in RDG or J/S.


Please, lets all take a look at (I am participating) the MOU. Even a single bid period of RDG is a HUGE contribution. One bid period from all of us would stop the furlough dead in its tracks, that is fact. Let's take the opportunity to take care of our own now instead of later.



If someone could cut and paste the above on our internal massage board, that would be great.

Slice

The problem is you may not get what you sign up for. I don't know how many people want off bid xx-xx. If the majority overlap UPS will just deny it. This whole thing is crap. I'll do my part with 1 yr of mil leave but that is about it. You really think they're gonna cut 300 right before peak with all the training that would need to happen?

Swedish Blender

I'm signing up for RDG at least over peak. How many you think UPS will let do that? Maybe we should all take peak off.

Slice

If they really wanted this to work they'd put a bid packet like package together. It would show what slots are available under which program(LOA, RDG, JS, etc) with fleet and bid periods included. Then, have a snapshot like program so you can see what you'd hold if you bid for one. Instead, we're supposed to swat blindly at the pinata...

767pilot

why can't you?
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J Dawg

Let them deny it! It still goes toward the savings benchmark. Worst that can happen is you get denied your period off, and you fly it like you would if none of this was happening. You might save some jobs in the process.

navigatro

Thanks for doing your part. As previously stated, the Union gets credit for all LOA's. Even those which are denied.

I think that if UPS furloughs, it would be 100 effective September 09, then 100 effective Jan 10, then 100 effective April 10.

Slice

True, but if the #'s don't fit where they want them by the end of this month and they turn the whole thing off then the 'savings' that would count are invalid. Which, may just be what they want anyway... I can see it now, "We tried to work with you, blame the IPA"...

FIT59

Perhaps an EB member?

Lester Burnham

Slice,

I hope you attend one of the GMM's, as they answered questions about the situation you described. As long as people sign up for one of the programs, the IPA gets credit for it. If UPS chooses not to need you for that program (ie- JS or RDG), then you fly your normal full schedule, but the savings has already been counted. UPS and the IPA discussed this and it was agreed that this is how it would work. Thanks for your military service!