Precontact

Assuming MOU passes (I think it will for 2009 and 2010 anyway), what's the next system bid going to look like? Bottom 400 here, so either way looking at ANC F/O under current staffing model. I guess the question is how's the post-MOU staffing model going to compare to the current one (especially with regards to ANC)? Roberto, have you spoken with CL recently or have any other intel to share concerning the next system bid? Thanks.

Roberto

Sorry, I have no idea. Both Bryan and Kim in Manpower Planning will answer questions when they can, but they must wait for the results of the MOU like the rest of us (and get their instructions from above). I kept track of DC8's and FE's, and now that they are history, I don't have any good intel.

brownie

Have you contribute any to the mou?

L'il J.Seinfeld

Brownie--What's your GEMS ID? How about your social security number? How much did you make last year? Where do you live and what is your phone number?

Oh wait, that's not any of my frickin' business is it?

Roberto

Brownie,

I may answer your question one day, but for now please be assured that I am hoping that the furlough mitigation plan works and that there is not one single person forced out of their seat, including every one of those who were extremely hostile to my right to keep my seat after ICAO changed the age.

Good luck, sincerely,

Roberto

brownie

Well i think i know the answer

Charlie Murphy

Hope in one hand and poop in the other and we'll see which one fills up first. If this doesn't pass, 300 guys will be hoping that they can make their mortgage payment.

Precontact

It will pass...UPS doesn't want to furlough. But they'll happily take our volunteer money.

J Dawg

Don’t confuse one’s private, personal items which don’t affect me (such as address and SSN) with one’s items that HAVE affected me.

For example, lets say FO Scallybag calls me up and wants me to do a FNP for him. The conversation will go one of two ways:


FO Scallybag: “Hey, J Dawg…I need a favor…I got a date with a fat chick next weekend, but I got this trip in the way. Can you do a FNP for me?”

J Dawg: “Sure!!! I heard about those fat chicks! I’d be glad to help you out!” But hey…did you volunteer to help your IPA brothers out?”

FO Scallybag: “Hell yeah I did, it was the right thing to do, it affects everyone, including myself!”

J Dawg: “Cool, I knew you were a good bloke; I’d be glad to do that FNP for you. BTW, just slap her thighs and ride the waves….not that I would know.”


Or, the conversation will go like this:


FO Scallybag: “Hey, J Dawg…I need a favor…I got a date with a fat chick next weekend, but I got this trip in the way. Can you do a FNP for me?”

J Dawg: “Sure!!! I heard about those fat chicks! I’d be glad to help you out!” But hey…did you volunteer to help your IPA brothers out?”

FO Scallybag: “No, it was voluntary, remember? So I just decided I wasn’t gonna volunteer; I needed the extra gas money for my Bonanza.”

J Dawg: Oh, yeah, I forgot about your Bonanza…Hey, this FNP stuff is voluntary as well, remember? I just remembered I can’t volunteer for your FNP because I have plans for next weekend as well - have you ever seen fat chick’s sister?”


Need I further explain how this is gonna pan out? The EB isn’t lying about the union being fractured if this thing fails. If it fails, there WILL BE a divide between the 1400 brothers and the 1500 in-laws.

But IF it fails I would rather have an honest, transparent divide differentiating my brothers from my in-laws, instead of the false illusion of 100% unity we were lead to believe exists.

This isn’t just about 300 jobs, so lets not let this thing fail.

J Dawg

As an extension of the UN, I believe ICAO does not have regulatory enforcement capability. However, if a nation's civil aviation authority adopts ICAO policy, then that nation has enforcement capability.

By the time the FAA adopted ICAO policy regarding the retirement age, I believe you were an FE. You're absolutely right!!...you had the right to keep your FE seat. I don't recall anyone challenging otherwise.

However, somewhere along the way your right to keep your FE seat turned into the right to take my FO seat, which was already awarded to me, and make me the FE. OK then...so the contract gave you additional opportunities, and lacked protections for those such as myself...., what can I say..

Look, I have no problem with someone winning the lottery. I really don't.

What I do have a problem with is when someone wins the lottery - at my expense - then complains that people are upset over it.

You won the lottery at my expense. Drop some sick time into the '09 pot. You'd be enhancing the next round of negotiations for the very contract which has given you so much.