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Originally Posted by 767pilot (Post 647679)

At the time UPS and the FAA were very concerned about the very real possibility of 3 year 747-400 captains up in ANC. Of course after age 65 and the economy melt down, it seems sort of funny now

What about some "managers?" who had less then 2 years exp and very little pic time? and low total time? The FAA looks the other way on that..

I was hired July 2007 with no PIC Jet. My only PIC was turboprop, but I did have 747-4 SIC time.

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Originally Posted by UPSer (Post 647685)

Just curious, did you have the minimums I posted above? I only had 1500 hours PIC in the Herc, no 121 time.

I had more total time, roughly 3000 PIC (mostly Herk, and other Turboprop), a couple thousand jet SIC (part 121), and a lot of international experience.

Since I retired from the military, I haven't flown one hour of PIC (the joys of being junior on a seniority list).

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Originally Posted by FrontSeat (Post 647657)

Why say only has 91/135 experience? Before I was hired at my current 121 job I had 91/135 and 121. I can tell you that my former 121 "experience" was degrading whatever skills I had. Think about it. In part 121 you have very little flight planning to do and full automation, at least I did, 737,767 etc. And you must ask mommy and daddy before you do anything. Sometimes even go over 3 months without landing.

What ever little skills I had to pass a sim ride came from my 91/135 background of having to do everything yourself and little automation, circling approaches at night to unfamiliar airports etc. etc.

Now that I am back again in the 121 world for the last couple of years I can tell you I am not the pilot I was when I was flying around the world 91/135 in crappy airplanes. If I get furloughed I might have to take some flying lessons to get my next job.

I didn't mean to 'degrade' non-121 experience at all... If you check some of my previous posts you'll see that I think it's great we have folks here from many different aspects of aviation...

I mentioned it simply because it's still quite unusual to be part 91/135 only; it's great but not as common... If anything I meant it to be encouraging that anything is possible...

UPSer - have you checked if they'd allow you to take a leave of absence to build your time quicker and then come back?

It's such a shame we don't take a better care of our own employees who'd like to become pilots...

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Originally Posted by ⌐ AV8OR WANNABE (Post 648197)

UPSer - have you checked if they'd allow you to take a leave of absence to build your time quicker and then come back?

It's such a shame we don't take a better care of our own employees who'd like to become pilots...

:eek:

Some things never change.

From a manager when UPS was starting the airline, as told to me by a Captain who was there ...

"What do you mean you need water onboard the aircraft. If we start catering water on the flights, next thing you guys will start crying for ICE. We can't have that ... "

Some of this stuff would be funny, if it wasn't true.

But I digress ...

When the hiring doors open, I hope UPSer finds a key to unlock the system. I don't think the total times should be a problem.

My times were similar to Archie Bunkers, without any military experience. All PIC (1500 hours) was Dash 8 turbo prop. Followed by years of 121 SIC jet ops ... FWIW. UPSer's times should work. At least they have in the past.

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Originally Posted by CactusCrew (Post 648233)

I've heard that story too except the version I heard was "if we put water on our airplanes (fast feeders ;)) we'll have to put water on our trucks I mean package cars too..." :)

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Originally Posted by ⌐ AV8OR WANNABE (Post 648197)

Actually, I have the most understanding boss because I've been on military leave since November of 2003 for Iraqi/Enduring Freedom etc... The problem came in 2007 when they BRAC'd my unit and the flying virtually came to a halt. I was still on orders but worked on the BRAC committee to help move the base from Milwaukee to Pope AFB. I hung on and flew here and there but primarily have been working in staff positions. I recently changed units and had to go back to school for the tanker and I hope to fly more now. Although I am in Turkey now on an AEF and just got moved into another staff position... My boss knows my goal is to fly for the company so he will do whatever it takes to make it work out for me if he can. On the other hand, I don't want to keep yankin' his chain when I'm not getting any flight time. I will say the active duty pay check beats that of a UPS Technology Support Technician! I'll go as long as I can on full time military until he makes it clear that it's time to come back.