FedEx's Excess Training Order
What does everyone think of FedEx training pilots out of order in the excess process? This has affected several pilots who were excessed out of ANC to the right seat of the 727. Most of these pilots are in or will enter 727 training in the next few months while pilots junior to them (excessed to SO in the 727) are still flying the MD-11 in ANC and making wide body pay until as late as July 2010. There are also junior 757 FOs who don't train until Dec 2011! This is a clear violation of Contract Paragraph 24.D.3.a:
Training Due To Excess Pilots involuntarily excessed from a crew status shall be scheduled for training in reverse seniority order. Application of this paragraph shall not trigger passover pay for the involuntarily excessed pilots. I'm familiar with the ANC case, but I'm sure there are others affected. The Union doesn't seem to want to fight this. Any thoughts? |
Isn't the training order determined by each seat excessed to? As long as all of those within each seat are training in seniority order they are abiding by the contract.
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Originally Posted by LivingInMEM
(Post 666840)
Isn't the training order determined by each seat excessed to? As long as all of those within each seat are training in seniority order they are abiding by the contract.
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There are pay issues created by junior flex instructors being kept in 757 school house until NOV 11. ALOT of 727 SO's senior to them are going to training first. Check out 727 training letter. i.e. creating passover/OCP (certain name for it?) for these more senior SO trainee's
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This has happened to many 727 Capts who've been excessed too
....however, after the first 777 bid many saw that they could delay their downgrade by bidding 777 FO rather than MD-11 or A300 FO, and later bid the 777 on subsequent excess bids to do just that. The company's position will most likely be --- if you wanted to delay your training the most you should have bid 727 SO, and then you could have stayed in ANC longer --- but of course, you'd end up in the back of the Purple Slave Ship at a lower pay rate until the next FO vacancy bid or SO excess bid. ...Worth it in terms of pay or QOL? I don't know --- I think that would be an individual preference. Bottom line: Yes --- being excessed $uck$!!:(:( |
Training out of order? Does it say that in the contract? Really?
Me thinks the order of training is for the seat you are going to, not from. |
Seem to recall that generating the training was a combination of base and future seat.
If so, an excessed pilot from ANC would be scheduled differently than an excessed pilot from MEM. Not to mention the difference between pilots who bid to relieve and be excessed versus those who bid the status quo and wound up being invol excessed |
Originally Posted by Gunter
(Post 666902)
Training out of order? Does it say that in the contract? Really?
Me thinks the order of training is for the seat you are going to, not from. |
Originally Posted by LivingInMEM
(Post 666840)
Isn't the training order determined by each seat excessed to? As long as all of those within each seat are training in seniority order they are abiding by the contract.
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Originally Posted by DaRaiders
(Post 666928)
Show me in the contract where it says it is about the seat you are going to.
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