What Do You Think About Training Date Swaps?
#31
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I think yer furgittin the litlle peeple. You wuz won of the best ejucators there wuz on hear. Now, you dont talk none to us. Whadya xpect?
P.S. The correct spelling is genitalia.
#34
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It is not about what we want it is about what tony c wants.
What I want is to find out if the union is working some sort of training swap deal with management. Some sort of E Mail would be nice. Personally I do not care, one way or the other, but it would show we have made major strides in communication since the change over.
What I want is to find out if the union is working some sort of training swap deal with management. Some sort of E Mail would be nice. Personally I do not care, one way or the other, but it would show we have made major strides in communication since the change over.
#35
You guys amaze me about unity. There is none at Fedex. The last two years have shown it. 4a2b, fda, age 60 and multiple excess bids have shown our true colors. If you want to talk about fairness, how about the very junior 727 captains that have rebid on every bid to push back training. They have extended their training dates over a year compared to the ones that bid the plane they wanted to fly and not play games. How about the senior widebody FO's that could have had captain 10 years ago but decided not to take it at 100%. Now during the excess bids they bid captain and knock a 4 year captain back to FO. Im sorry if I have no sense of loyalty to anyone but family. Nothing is fair about business and we should stop pretending we are all in it together. We have too many groups of pilots that have different agendas such as management pilots, instructors, junior, senior, commuters, over 60 and widebody/narrrowbody. Sorry about rant but Im tired of taking it up the rear and being told to be a team player.
#36
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Parks31, it's actually you who amazes me, what with your impression that everyone must be in lock step, on each and every issue, for there to be "unity." In real life it can't work that way. Everyone brings their own agenda to the table, as can be seen in any organization with a head count of more than 1. As well, your complaints or observations have, for the most part, been hashed over numerous times here. I especially like your complaint: "How about the senior widebody FO's that could have had captain 10 years ago but decided not to take it at 100%. Now during the excess bids they bid captain and knock a 4 year captain back to FO." That's called working within the seniority system. Perhaps those senior first officers should have bid the captains seats a number of years ago, and therefore deprive those "4 year captains" from upgrading to begin with. I guess you would have liked that better.
Whether you realize it or not, you guys are all in it together. That doesn't mean that everyone should cast their vote exactly the same as everyone else, but what it does mean is that you all need to come to a compromise as to what's acceptable (in the next contract) or what's not. And frankly, posts like yours don't help the atmosphere.
JJ
Whether you realize it or not, you guys are all in it together. That doesn't mean that everyone should cast their vote exactly the same as everyone else, but what it does mean is that you all need to come to a compromise as to what's acceptable (in the next contract) or what's not. And frankly, posts like yours don't help the atmosphere.
JJ
#38
Parks31, it's actually you who amazes me, what with your impression that everyone must be in lock step, on each and every issue, for there to be "unity." In real life it can't work that way. Everyone brings their own agenda to the table, as can be seen in any organization with a head count of more than 1. As well, your complaints or observations have, for the most part, been hashed over numerous times here. I especially like your complaint: "How about the senior widebody FO's that could have had captain 10 years ago but decided not to take it at 100%. Now during the excess bids they bid captain and knock a 4 year captain back to FO." That's called working within the seniority system. Perhaps those senior first officers should have bid the captains seats a number of years ago, and therefore deprive those "4 year captains" from upgrading to begin with. I guess you would have liked that better.
Whether you realize it or not, you guys are all in it together. That doesn't mean that everyone should cast their vote exactly the same as everyone else, but what it does mean is that you all need to come to a compromise as to what's acceptable (in the next contract) or what's not. And frankly, posts like yours don't help the atmosphere.
JJ
Whether you realize it or not, you guys are all in it together. That doesn't mean that everyone should cast their vote exactly the same as everyone else, but what it does mean is that you all need to come to a compromise as to what's acceptable (in the next contract) or what's not. And frankly, posts like yours don't help the atmosphere.
JJ
#39
self-righteous posts like yours don't help either.
when it benefits the senior guys they're just "working within the seniority system"
when a junior guy (Pilot A) works a good deal for himself trading dates "within the system"......the senior guys all the sudden want to change the system to make it "more fair for everyone" and "promote unity" - and if the junior guy doesn't want it to change......he's being selfish??
but it's NOT selfish to "work within the seniority system" and fly 150 CH months by bidding/protecting massive carryover while the more junior guys who can't hold carryover get squat?
don't kid yourself - the "seniority system" is DESIGNED around selfishness - and does NOTHING to encourage "unity" - airline managements LOVE the seniority system because it's divisive by it's very nature.
gimme a break
I say stop negotiating side deals with the company and live with the current "deal" (contract) until it's fixed with a new contract.
especially stop negotiating anything with the company as long as they continue to illegally invoke 4.A.2.b. and until they pay back all the money they've stolen from us over that.
when it benefits the senior guys they're just "working within the seniority system"
when a junior guy (Pilot A) works a good deal for himself trading dates "within the system"......the senior guys all the sudden want to change the system to make it "more fair for everyone" and "promote unity" - and if the junior guy doesn't want it to change......he's being selfish??
but it's NOT selfish to "work within the seniority system" and fly 150 CH months by bidding/protecting massive carryover while the more junior guys who can't hold carryover get squat?
don't kid yourself - the "seniority system" is DESIGNED around selfishness - and does NOTHING to encourage "unity" - airline managements LOVE the seniority system because it's divisive by it's very nature.
gimme a break
I say stop negotiating side deals with the company and live with the current "deal" (contract) until it's fixed with a new contract.
especially stop negotiating anything with the company as long as they continue to illegally invoke 4.A.2.b. and until they pay back all the money they've stolen from us over that.
#40
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Renegotiating the contract in a side deal to benefit this captain is crazy. This might be beneficial for this captain because he hasn't found someone to trade with but what happens when upgrades are on the table next time. A senior captain wants to delay their training to a specific date in the future for whatever reason, They can only slide down to where junior pilots have agreed to allow the blanket swaps.
The deal is the deal. Next contract ask for changes. Eat the S@@t sandwich this recession and poor management planning has dealt but don't claim it's for everyone to prosper. It's purely a grab for a piece of what someone else worked out in their swap.
The deal is the deal. Next contract ask for changes. Eat the S@@t sandwich this recession and poor management planning has dealt but don't claim it's for everyone to prosper. It's purely a grab for a piece of what someone else worked out in their swap.
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