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Naven 10-27-2009 09:27 AM
Originally Posted by 757upspilot (Post 701985)
The union can defeat its own purpose by attempting to do more than is possible.
You are exactly right. It turns out attempting the MOU was a mistake. I was and still am a huge supporter of the MOU because it is what we have to deal with and if we don't it is a huge win for UPS and hurts the IPA for a long time. However in hindsight BM and the EB misread the pilot group and thought we were more unified than we are.

SaltyDog 10-27-2009 09:31 AM
Originally Posted by 757upspilot (Post 701921)
...They did a poor job of providing information on the sick leave donation. Now its being used on this forum by some to show how some wouldn't even give one hour of sick leave. That was my only point.
757upspilot,
Understood and agree, most would not have known that any donation of sick leave was acceptable. The MOU was meaning and intent on the run plus negotiations all wrapped in one. We did have the call in capability, but that too was active not passive on the IPA member. Additionally, many had an honest debate about the sick leave aspect of the amended MOU since it did actually refund earned income, not just volunteer time off with benefits and get time off in return.
The challenge was communicating that info effectively.
Like anything, easy to hindsight the details.

757upspilot 10-27-2009 11:48 AM
Originally Posted by SaltyDog (Post 702010)
757upspilot,
Understood and agree, most would not have known that any donation of sick leave was acceptable. The MOU was meaning and intent on the run plus negotiations all wrapped in one. We did have the call in capability, but that too was active not passive on the IPA member. Additionally, many had an honest debate about the sick leave aspect of the amended MOU since it did actually refund earned income, not just volunteer time off with benefits and get time off in return.
The challenge was communicating that info effectively.
Like anything, easy to hindsight the details.
You are correct. Communication breakdowns can play havoc.

Jolly 10-27-2009 12:36 PM
Originally Posted by SaltyDog (Post 702010)
757upspilot,
Understood and agree, most would not have known that any donation of sick leave was acceptable. The MOU was meaning and intent on the run plus negotiations all wrapped in one. We did have the call in capability, but that too was active not passive on the IPA member. Additionally, many had an honest debate about the sick leave aspect of the amended MOU since it did actually refund earned income, not just volunteer time off with benefits and get time off in return.
The challenge was communicating that info effectively.
Like anything, easy to hindsight the details.


At the risk of giving top secret info to mgt, unity does has its benefits at this juncture. Participation serves more purpose than what we "give". They will decide personnel changes regardless. A message is the best offense to our current and future (contract) situation.



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brownie 10-27-2009 02:15 PM
You know whats so sad is that our managment are more unified than ipa and they are not even union.:(

say that again 10-27-2009 02:20 PM
Originally Posted by brownie (Post 702159)
You know whats so sad is that our managment are more unified than ipa and they are not even union.:(
........like they have a choice?

brownie 10-27-2009 02:56 PM
We do and we're not so go figure.That's even worse.:confused:

767pilot 10-28-2009 06:44 PM
Originally Posted by 757upspilot (Post 700187)
What do you call the people who are demanding that others reach into their pockets to support them and name calling if they don't?
very junior


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