Unions For FedEx & UPS
06-17-2006, 06:29 AM
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Unions For FedEx & UPS
In my 10 years of flying, a lot of it is military so you all know that Uncle Sam does not have a quote unquote Union. But all of my friends that are in the commercial airline world right now (PAXs & Cargo), 100% are part of the Union. They pretty much say it is something that is needed to keep the upper management in line. I would like to open a in depth discussion about this situation. I young pilot like myself that does not know anything about ALPA, Teamsters, ect.
1.) Why is such a problem with Upper Management to pay there people if the company made 33 BILLION DOLLARS? (My guess is GREED)
2.) Out of the 4,000 plus pilots in FedEx and 2,000 plus pilots in UPS, how many are in the Union?
3.) Is it like a fraternity? I mean, if you are a part of it, is there any pluses?
4.) If a check pilot or check flight engineer is a member of the union, but a guy or girl that is not a part of it,,,,,is it automatic they are going to majically fail the checkride?
5.) And something else that was interesting. A friend of mine flies for American, he was jumpseating to his base on Delta or FedEx or somebody, I can't recall directly, but anyway, the Captain had a book that had all of the people that were in the airlines, but they were not a part of the Union, so those individuals were on the permanent black list so to speak, so they were not allowed to jumpseat. Is this true?
I am just trying to understand because it is new to me.
1.) Why is such a problem with Upper Management to pay there people if the company made 33 BILLION DOLLARS? (My guess is GREED)
2.) Out of the 4,000 plus pilots in FedEx and 2,000 plus pilots in UPS, how many are in the Union?
3.) Is it like a fraternity? I mean, if you are a part of it, is there any pluses?
4.) If a check pilot or check flight engineer is a member of the union, but a guy or girl that is not a part of it,,,,,is it automatic they are going to majically fail the checkride?
5.) And something else that was interesting. A friend of mine flies for American, he was jumpseating to his base on Delta or FedEx or somebody, I can't recall directly, but anyway, the Captain had a book that had all of the people that were in the airlines, but they were not a part of the Union, so those individuals were on the permanent black list so to speak, so they were not allowed to jumpseat. Is this true?
I am just trying to understand because it is new to me.
06-17-2006, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by byrdseyeviewinc
In my 10 years of flying, a lot of it is military so you all know that Uncle Sam does not have a quote unquote Union. But all of my friends that are in the commercial airline world right now (PAXs & Cargo), 100% are part of the Union. They pretty much say it is something that is needed to keep the upper management in line. I would like to open a in depth discussion about this situation. I young pilot like myself that does not know anything about ALPA, Teamsters, ect.
1.) Why is such a problem with Upper Management to pay there people if the company made 33 BILLION DOLLARS? (My guess is GREED)
2.) Out of the 4,000 plus pilots in FedEx and 2,000 plus pilots in UPS, how many are in the Union?
3.) Is it like a fraternity? I mean, if you are a part of it, is there any pluses?
4.) If a check pilot or check flight engineer is a member of the union, but a guy or girl that is not a part of it,,,,,is it automatic they are going to majically fail the checkride?
5.) And something else that was interesting. A friend of mine flies for American, he was jumpseating to his base on Delta or FedEx or somebody, I can't recall directly, but anyway, the Captain had a book that had all of the people that were in the airlines, but they were not a part of the Union, so those individuals were on the permanent black list so to speak, so they were not allowed to jumpseat. Is this true?
I am just trying to understand because it is new to me.
1.) Why is such a problem with Upper Management to pay there people if the company made 33 BILLION DOLLARS? (My guess is GREED)
2.) Out of the 4,000 plus pilots in FedEx and 2,000 plus pilots in UPS, how many are in the Union?
3.) Is it like a fraternity? I mean, if you are a part of it, is there any pluses?
4.) If a check pilot or check flight engineer is a member of the union, but a guy or girl that is not a part of it,,,,,is it automatic they are going to majically fail the checkride?
5.) And something else that was interesting. A friend of mine flies for American, he was jumpseating to his base on Delta or FedEx or somebody, I can't recall directly, but anyway, the Captain had a book that had all of the people that were in the airlines, but they were not a part of the Union, so those individuals were on the permanent black list so to speak, so they were not allowed to jumpseat. Is this true?
I am just trying to understand because it is new to me.
2.FedEx 4600 pilots, 125 scum ,I mean non-Union members
3.Not so much a fraternity as a professional organization. If 98% of our guys belong, obviously there are some pluses. Real Representation in disciplinary hearings, loss of medicl license insurance
4. Not likely, never heard of it here
5. Scab-list. I think you are refering to a list of pilots who crossed picket lines and it does exist and some Captains will not allow these guys to jump with them.
06-17-2006, 08:08 AM
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Wow!!!!! I didn't know it was that deep, I mean I had a idea, but I never knew how deep the rabitt hole in wonderland.
So is it safe to say, the 125 scum//non union are screwed if something goes wrong on their part but they don't have proper representation or does the company take care of them indirectly because they are seen as being loyal in upper managment. (I AM SURE THEY ARE SCREWED BECAUSE ME BEING A GUESSING MAN, UPPER MANAGEMENT PROBABLY DON'T GIVE 2 FARTS AND A MARTINI ABOUT THEM EITHER)
So is it safe to say, the 125 scum//non union are screwed if something goes wrong on their part but they don't have proper representation or does the company take care of them indirectly because they are seen as being loyal in upper managment. (I AM SURE THEY ARE SCREWED BECAUSE ME BEING A GUESSING MAN, UPPER MANAGEMENT PROBABLY DON'T GIVE 2 FARTS AND A MARTINI ABOUT THEM EITHER)
06-17-2006, 08:17 AM
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I'm not a huge union guy, but after being in this industry for the last 9+ years, it's a necessary evil. If everyone does the 'right thing' it isn't necessary. But hell, even SWA has an in house union and their company seems to try and do the right thing more often than not. Greed on either side of the fence is never good, but mgmt holds the check book, so it usually starts there.
06-17-2006, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by MD11HOG
1. Pilots are just another cost center and any good business cuts cost.
2.FedEx 4600 pilots, 125 scum ,I mean non-Union members
3.Not so much a fraternity as a professional organization. If 98% of our guys belong, obviously there are some pluses. Real Representation in disciplinary hearings, loss of medicl license insurance
4. Not likely, never heard of it here
5. Scab-list. I think you are refering to a list of pilots who crossed picket lines and it does exist and some Captains will not allow these guys to jump with them.
2.FedEx 4600 pilots, 125 scum ,I mean non-Union members
3.Not so much a fraternity as a professional organization. If 98% of our guys belong, obviously there are some pluses. Real Representation in disciplinary hearings, loss of medicl license insurance
4. Not likely, never heard of it here
5. Scab-list. I think you are refering to a list of pilots who crossed picket lines and it does exist and some Captains will not allow these guys to jump with them.
06-17-2006, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by byrdseyeviewinc
Wow!!!!! I didn't know it was that deep, I mean I had a idea, but I never knew how deep the rabitt hole in wonderland.
So is it safe to say, the 125 scum//non union are screwed if something goes wrong on their part but they don't have proper representation or does the company take care of them indirectly because they are seen as being loyal in upper managment. (I AM SURE THEY ARE SCREWED BECAUSE ME BEING A GUESSING MAN, UPPER MANAGEMENT PROBABLY DON'T GIVE 2 FARTS AND A MARTINI ABOUT THEM EITHER)
So is it safe to say, the 125 scum//non union are screwed if something goes wrong on their part but they don't have proper representation or does the company take care of them indirectly because they are seen as being loyal in upper managment. (I AM SURE THEY ARE SCREWED BECAUSE ME BEING A GUESSING MAN, UPPER MANAGEMENT PROBABLY DON'T GIVE 2 FARTS AND A MARTINI ABOUT THEM EITHER)
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