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11-19-2009, 08:08 AM

#11

AFW_MD11

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4.A.2.b. will be permanent until/unless:

1. The Arbitrator rules in favor of the union on the 4.A.2.b. grievance

or

2. FedEx Express is forced to hire pilots because they can't man all the flying with max reserve utilization/draft/volunteer any longer

or

3. The contract is amended

11-19-2009, 08:36 AM

#12

42GO

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sparkmo

4.A.2.b should be here for some time with the fast an loose scheduling going crazy. ANC 2189/25Nov has a buisness class 2 leg dh (SEA-HKG) with 1815 block and 2045 duty - so much for having a contract

That trip lays over in SFO for 33 hrs before going to HKG now....don't know what it was or why it changed.

11-19-2009, 08:49 AM

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4A2B

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Originally Posted by 42GO

That trip lays over in SFO for 33 hrs before going to HKG now....don't know what it was or why it changed.

It was built illegally and someone probably contacted the Company, either through Contract Enforcement, SIG or directly. This is a wake-up call to everyone, you need to know the contract and be the first level of waving the BS flag. So many pairings never see the light of day other than the crew who actually gets the pairing. If it looks like a duck....you know the rest.

Contact the Union if you think a pairing is not CBA Compliant, we need everyone keeping an eye on the ball these days.

11-19-2009, 09:04 AM

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FEXFNG

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Originally Posted by AFW_MD11

or the company restores the rest of the company's pay cuts in January and that causes this crew force grows a set of nads.....

11-19-2009, 09:05 AM

#15

Gunter

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AFW_MD11

4.A.2.b. will be permanent until:

2. FedEx Express is forced to hire pilots because they can't man all the flying with max reserve utilization/draft/volunteer any longer

The company has shown remarkable resourcefulness in reducing reserve levels by counting on makeup hungry pilots to pick up anything thrown at them. Extra pairings are being created in volume almost like they came off an assembly line.

There is also no excuse for huge carryover pairings. Their only purpose is to reduce RLG by reducing line averages. Has anyone seen how high VTO lines can be built to? Way above the line averages. Some of the flying headed for VTO should have been put on regular lines. How can we build VTO's so far above the average line?

I hope most of us are connecting the dots.

11-19-2009, 09:12 AM

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skeebo2

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The Arbitrator WILL find in favor of the Company. We Lost. Im still taking all $ bets with 2:1 odd in your favor

11-19-2009, 09:19 AM

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Tractor Bob

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At some point people are going to run out of time in their make up banks. I think its already starting to happen up in ANC.

11-19-2009, 09:20 AM

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SeeDub

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Originally Posted by Gunter

For example, 727 XPairings 4209/20Nov, 4207/21Nov and 4208/21Nov both look exactly like week long hotel standby trips that have been dropping into open time weekly since the beginning of Oct. The question is will someone sacrifice their Thanksgiving in order to pick them up? Will this be the time a volunteer doesn't step up to the plate? Even though I'm asking the question, I think I already know the answer.

4a2b still has some life in it.

Last edited by SeeDub; 11-19-2009 at 09:52 AM. Reason: New X Pairing just dropped in the system

11-19-2009, 09:36 AM

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FDXLAG

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Originally Posted by skeebo2

The Arbitrator WILL find in favor of the Company. We Lost. Im still taking all $ bets with 2:1 odd in your favor

First define what "will find in favor of the Company" or "We Lost" means then you may be able to sign me up for $20. Company Comail seems an appropriate way to settle any business we may have.

11-19-2009, 09:51 AM

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Gunter

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Someone needs to explain a few things to me. These things are not just happening during our peak period.

How is counting on makeup requests to fly innumerable extra's 'Preventing or delaying a furlough'?

How is reducing reserve coverage to unprecedented low levels for our most valuable flying, intl' MD-11, 'Preventing or delaying a furlough'?

How is maintaining a very high line average with very low reserve coverage in the 757 'Preventing or delaying a furlough'? Guess who picks up their extras? Yes, the 727.

How do big carryover pairings 'Prevent or delay a furlough'?

How is optimizing the schedule, whether or not OR realizes it is happening, 'Preventing or delaying a furlough'?

How is relying on draft and volunteer on a regular basis 'Preventing or delaying a furlough'?

These are the questions that should be answered by those in high places. Or maybe our new poster, Chuck Turpen, has some of the answers. From his posts I gather he is smarter than most of us.